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Another option is Israel follows the overwhelming vote by the UN for a ceasefire.
by feedforward 3y ago
Another option is Israel follows the overwhelming vote by the UN for a ceasefire.
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- WJW 3y agoI think Israel should do that, yes. But I also think that the Houthi wouldn't stop shooting at western ships even if Israel fed and housed every Gazan in an actual palace. Their flag has some hints as to the goals of the movement, after all.
- keybored 3y ago[flagged]
- Jensson 3y agoIsrael isn't an apartheid state, that ended 1966, so today 20% of their population are Arabs/Palestinians and they are allowed to vote.
- keybored 3y agoThis isn’t a fringe statement. Amnesty International agrees (at least the 2022 report—a fair time after 1966). Apartheid is the systematic domination of one racial group over another. How is that not in effect in Israel and the occupied territories? How is, say, the freedom of movement for Palestinians considering all the checkpoints that they have to go through? Can anyone argue that Palestinians are not second-class citizens in Israel and the occupied territories?
- 9dev 3y agoThis sort of populist bullshit is part of the problem we’re dealing with.
- keybored 3y agoPopulism out of nowhere. Thanks for proving again that it’s just devolved into being a mindless smear.
- 9dev 3y agoIf calling the Israel of 2023 an Apartheid state isn’t populist, then what is..?
- keybored 3y agoOkay, then I’m curious. What does that statement have to do with (something like) “the belief that the elites and the common people are in political opposition”?
- 9dev 3y agoTurns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate.
- keybored 3y ago> Turns out, the first line of the Wikipedia article isn’t overly helpful. Why did you have to resort to looking it up on Wikipedia? You seemed confident in your proclamation. > Populism refers to providing simple solutions for complex problems; throwing all nuance over board, in favour of just faulting „them“; using big, powerful words that pick out and vastly exaggerate a single aspect of a situation to sway readers into your own perspective; or put simply, populism means convincing simple minds by giving them an easy explanation that something is wrong because someone else did something bad. Thanks for proving my point. My God, none of this has anything to do with defining a political ideology: - Throwing all nuance over board - Big, powerful words; vastly exaggerate - Sway readers - Simple minds - Easy explanation Most of the people who write about populism are negative about it. But they at least write about populism!, i.e. a political ideology about the common people versus the elites. You so far haven’t even mentioned one single salient point about what it actually is. (Sorry, but pejoratives don’t count. I can’t say “Communism is when mean people convince dumb people with their evil ideas” and expect anyone to take me seriously.) > Claiming Israel is an Apartheid state does a giant disservice to those that actually suffered during the Apartheid in South Africa, the Palestinians living in Israel, everyone in Israel that supports intercultural relations, and everyone else that might be interested in achieving piece. All you do is sow hate. This is pure rhetoric. You think that the statement is wrong? Well just say that then instead of bawling all over the place about how it hurts puppies. Plenty of people who support Palestinians call Israel an apartheid state because calling a spade for a spade (the truth) is good practice for justice and truth.
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- qaq 3y agoDo you for real suggesting the Iran is carrying this out because they care for people of Gaza?
- Izikiel43 3y agoThe UN is a decoration, Israel has the historic chance of getting rid of hamas and setting precedent that if you fck around, you will find out, no way they are stopping.
- ceejayoz 3y agoThere is zero chance of getting rid of Hamas in this fashion. It, or a worse successor, will come out of this just fine, no matter how many individual members wind up as meat paste.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> a worse successor, will come out One hopes it will learn that Hamas’ tactics don’t work. They backfire. And they lose one global sympathy.
- ceejayoz 3y agoHamas’s tactics worked great here. They’ve created 20k new martyrs to recruit off. Prompting a big reaction was the goal, and they got it.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Prompting a big reaction was the goal, and they got it Hamas lost control of Daef and Islamic Jihad. They launched an attack that was shockingly brutal, took hostages and then lost them, and are likely to lose physical control over Gaza for some time. There might have been an inkling of a strategy, but nobody on the ground was calling shots.
- ceejayoz 3y agoPrecisely the way they like it. Control means governing, which means you're blamed when things go wrong. Hamas has zero interest in actually having to run a functional government with elections and water quality monitoring and street maintenance. See also: Republican promises to repeal Obamacare. > They launched an attack that was shockingly brutal... The response to that attack has killed ~15x as many so far, with plenty of civilians in that mix. Even the US is starting to message "hold up, that's a bit much" now.
- ericfrazier 3y agoWhat would that achieve to protect Israel?