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Wtf I just install Firefox and literally don't even register that Edge exists. Have used 11 since the beta. People make this into some very big issue while igno

by xoac 3y ago

Wtf I just install Firefox and literally don't even register that Edge exists. Have used 11 since the beta. People make this into some very big issue while ignoring that the only real monopoly in this space is Google.

askonomm 3y ago
How do you install Firefox without using Edge? By default there is no other browser on Windows, and presumably you need a browser to visit firefox.com, no? Or you carry Firefox installer around on a USB with you?
- throwawaysugar 3y ago
  Winkey+R and then powershell -Command "& {Invoke-WebRequest -Uri 'https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=win64&lang=en-US' -OutFile 'Firefox.exe'}" Not saying it's ergonomic but since you asked ;-)
  - askonomm 3y ago
    I mean ... I guess this works. Edit: Actually now that I think about it I'm saving this to avoid using Edge myself in the future. Thank you!
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    -Command “& {thing}” is the same as -Command “thing”
    - throwawaysugar 3y ago
      Makes sense, sorry... I hate PowerShell tbh. I just googled/ChatGPT'd that!
  - extraduder_ire 3y ago
    Don't think they still have an FTP site, but I used the trick of opening ftp.mozilla.org in explorer to get an installer at least twice during the XP era. That said, I also used the MSN browser for fun sometimes, as well as web browsing in explorer.exe.
- xoac 3y ago
  I guess I don’t mind using edge to install firefox or safari on os x. You got me.
  - askonomm 3y ago
    Well, Safari doesn't have 10 dark-pattern popups it greets you with when you first use it, before you can even type an address into the address bar. Edge does.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Not that Apple is a stranger to accosting you over browsers, though: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228
    - xoac 3y ago
      Edge dark patterns can't do shit to me.
- mardef 3y ago
  winget Mozilla.Firefox
- Zambyte 3y ago
  Is Firefox not in the Windows package manager?
dns_snek 3y ago
Haven't you run into the ""bug"" where certain Microsoft programs open links in Edge, completely disregarding default browser settings? Assuming you haven't turned off web results in Win11 start menu, try searching for something and click on one of the Bing results. Those used to open Edge, and it certainly wasn't the only program that ignored user preferences.
- xoac 3y ago
  Yeah I disabled web results because I don't like that it slows down search and I would never actually use start menu to search the web.
  - tshirthoodie 3y ago
    >I would never actually use start menu to search the web You mean like every other person that has ever lived?
amadeuspagel 3y ago
I'm not going to argue about who the real monopoly is, but I'll try to make the distinction between choice and market share explicit. I don't have an issue with a product having a big market share, I have an issue with my choice being restricted.
w0m 3y ago
As a primarily FF user on windows - I don't recall any of the complaints here being an issue. Odd.

by xoac 3y ago

askonomm 3y ago

How do you install Firefox without using Edge? By default there is no other browser on Windows, and presumably you need a browser to visit firefox.com, no? Or you carry Firefox installer around on a USB with you?

throwawaysugar 3y ago
Winkey+R and then powershell -Command "& {Invoke-WebRequest -Uri 'https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=win64&lang=en-US' -OutFile 'Firefox.exe'}" Not saying it's ergonomic but since you asked ;-)
- askonomm 3y ago
  I mean ... I guess this works. Edit: Actually now that I think about it I'm saving this to avoid using Edge myself in the future. Thank you!
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  -Command “& {thing}” is the same as -Command “thing”
  - throwawaysugar 3y ago
    Makes sense, sorry... I hate PowerShell tbh. I just googled/ChatGPT'd that!
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  Don't think they still have an FTP site, but I used the trick of opening ftp.mozilla.org in explorer to get an installer at least twice during the XP era. That said, I also used the MSN browser for fun sometimes, as well as web browsing in explorer.exe.
xoac 3y ago
I guess I don’t mind using edge to install firefox or safari on os x. You got me.
- askonomm 3y ago
  Well, Safari doesn't have 10 dark-pattern popups it greets you with when you first use it, before you can even type an address into the address bar. Edge does.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Not that Apple is a stranger to accosting you over browsers, though: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228
  - xoac 3y ago
    Edge dark patterns can't do shit to me.
mardef 3y ago
winget Mozilla.Firefox
Zambyte 3y ago
Is Firefox not in the Windows package manager?

dns_snek 3y ago

Haven't you run into the ""bug"" where certain Microsoft programs open links in Edge, completely disregarding default browser settings? Assuming you haven't turned off web results in Win11 start menu, try searching for something and click on one of the Bing results. Those used to open Edge, and it certainly wasn't the only program that ignored user preferences.

xoac 3y ago
Yeah I disabled web results because I don't like that it slows down search and I would never actually use start menu to search the web.
- tshirthoodie 3y ago
  >I would never actually use start menu to search the web You mean like every other person that has ever lived?

amadeuspagel 3y ago

I'm not going to argue about who the real monopoly is, but I'll try to make the distinction between choice and market share explicit. I don't have an issue with a product having a big market share, I have an issue with my choice being restricted.

w0m 3y ago

As a primarily FF user on windows - I don't recall any of the complaints here being an issue. Odd.