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"In other words, if this bubble pops, who will loose out? Will it have catastrophic consequences for the economy at large?" Bubbles aren't defined solely by th
by jonnathanson 15y ago
"In other words, if this bubble pops, who will loose out? Will it have catastrophic consequences for the economy at large?"
Bubbles aren't defined solely by the extent of their damage post-pop. They're defined by the delta between bubble valuation and real value. In admittedly simplistic terms: the size of that delta, multiplied by the number of people who buy into it, usually dictates the impact of the burst.
Right now, we're arguably in the early stages of a bubble. Almost everyone admits that startup valuations, not to mention a few recent, high-profile IPOs (Groupon in particular) are inflated. Money is easy.
I'd argue that today's operative question isn't "by how much are valuations inflated," but rather, "how many people are buying into them?" And where will the contagion spread from here?
We have a few troubling indicators. Celebrities like Ashton Kutcher are leaping into the angel and VC scene. I have nothing against Ashton Kutcher, but I do question his fundamental grasp of the technology business. And I wonder whether his sloshing easy money around the startup world is inherently constructive or destructive to rational valuations within that world. Furthermore, Ashton's just the tip of the iceberg. CAA, Hollywood's leading Hollywood talent agency, is launching a VC arm focused on tech companies. Precisely what a Hollywood talent agency understands about tech firms is anyone's guess -- but CAA has more money than God, is extremely well connected to investment banks and hedge funds, and could serve as a bridge to the general public's interest in tech equity. (We'll recall that the 1999-era bubble was marked by a similar influx of carpetbagging investors from outside the tech industry).
People often point out that the frothy tech startups of 2012 are fundamentally unlike the frothy tech startups of 1999, in as much as 1999's startups went IPO, and today's startups generally get acquired. This is fair. But in both cases, investment money became (is becoming) very easy and very loose. This leads to a propagation (and propping up) of fundamentally unsound startups. History indicates that, eventually, there can be so many bad apples in the batch that people stop being able to tell the good ones from the bad ones. That's when the trouble begins. We're not there yet, but why wait around and let it happen?
- dgildeh 15y agoSome really good points there, especially about the Celebrity investors, who would have thought Ashton Kutcher was in the know how about all this stuff?! For me there's usually a trigger, which I think Instagram was, with some justification as to why this time its different, which for me is Cloud. The Cloud has triggered some early successes from really small teams which is only going to excite investors and founders more to launch even more start-ups which will inevitably lead to more weak ideas and a self inflicted bubble of selling to the greater fool once they realize half the new start-ups aren't going anywhere...
- fiesycal 15y agoI agree with your point but I think using Ashton Kutcher as your example was misplaced. Ashton Kutcher has been investing for a while now and he also started a Biomedical Engineering degree before dropping out^, so I think his fundamental grasp of technology would be decent. ^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Kutcher#Early_life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Kutcher#Early_life
- jonnathanson 15y agoOk, that's a fair counterpoint. I didn't mean to pick on Ashton specifically, but rather, to point out that others are following in his footsteps. Also, on a side note: even though he'll never read this, I feel like I owe him a sincere apology for making a quick and general assumption about him. Seriously. More than happy to stand corrected about him personally.
- mtoddh 15y ago"People often point out that the frothy tech startups of 2012 are fundamentally unlike the frothy tech startups of 1999..." I've always thought it interesting how 1999 is always the benchmark people use, and never any of the years prior when the bubble was forming. People's logic seems to be "Until we meet or exceed the apex of the last bubble (ie, 1999), we don't need to worry."
- jonnathanson 15y agoWasn't necessarily my intention to imply that 1999 was only problematic at that point, and not prior to it. But nevertheless, it's an interesting observation. And duly noted. Thank you.