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It's so much worse now. Ever tried installing a different browser on Win11 now? Edge tries to dark pattern all your info with 10 sneaky popups when you first op
by askonomm 3y ago
It's so much worse now. Ever tried installing a different browser on Win11 now? Edge tries to dark pattern all your info with 10 sneaky popups when you first open it. Then on Chrome's website Edge will show a popup indicating that Edge is better, and you should use Edge instead. Then setting Chrome to be default is also a pain, as you have to do that manually for each file type and protocol now.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>Ever tried installing a different browser on Win11 now? Yes. Running Windows 11, I use Chromium for my daily usage and Pale Moon for specific tasks, along with Edge for things I want to cordon in another browser altogether. Windows 11 hasn't given me grief in my so far ~1.5 years of daily driving it, and I don't necessarily hold Edge's nagging against it since it's browsers catfighting each other. Chrome and Firefox also act likewise when given the chance. I will note that I have Windows Update completely blocked and disabled via Group Policy, which means my system settings never get reset under the guise of "updates" every month unlike most people's setups. In fact, I'm still running 21H2, NT kernel version 10.0.22000.1281. Windows 11 is quite well behaved if the administrator actually wields his administrative powers, as it turns out.
- gchamonlive 3y agoHow is disabling OS updates a sensible decision?
- Dalewyn 3y agoIt gives me a known, unchanging environment that I can rely on to serve my needs day in and day out. My computers are tools, and the operating system is subservient to its administrator who is absolutely not Microsoft. I do not appreciate my computers reinstalling their operating systems every damn week without my knowledge nor permission. Been working this way since Windows Update has been a thing, and I've never been let down. Judging by the many tales of people getting grief from Windows Update, I'm perfectly content to continue as I have. I will run system updates when it pleases me, and no sooner.
- gchamonlive 3y agoWhat locks you in to windows? Programs? Corporate compliance? Familiarity?
- eimrine 3y ago1. Bigger battery life 2. Decent PDF reader such as STDU, music player such as foobar2000 - if running all of these under Wine the battery life is going to become even less 3. If the computer is not needed to be connected to the Internets even occationally, there is no better option than W7.
- smoldesu 3y ago> if running all of these under Wine the battery life is going to become even less Citation? Running a Wineserver should use less resources than a complete Win32 runtime.
- w0m 3y agoIn my experience, even a 'light' linux distro isn't optimized enough to match Win or osx battery life on the same hardware. Maybe things have changed since my last test (Ubuntu on my ~2011 MBA installed ~12mo ago)
- smoldesu 3y agoFrankly, I think that's more of a Linux problem than a Wine one. You're right that Linux is overall worse at power management than OSX or Windows, but Wine itself is extremely light on any OS it supports. On a resource-constrained machine (eg. >2gb RAM), I'd imagine that Wine would be less resource-intensive than native modern Windows would.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>Programs? Yup. I use my computer to achieve things, whether extraordinary or mundane. I could run most of my software through WINE or some form of virtualization on Linux, but at the cost of jank. Why would I bother with inferior experience for sake of dogma? It's not even all my software either. >Corporate compliance? While compliance doesn't apply in my case, doing business dictates my computer be generally compatible with the other party's computer. So that means Windows and Office. >Familiarity? Yup. Windows is reliable, MacOS is limited and Linux just wastes my time.
- shakow 3y ago> I have Windows Update completely blocked and disabled via Group Policy, which means my system settings never get reset under the guise of "updates" every month unlike most people's setups That sound unhinged... “so I we handcuffed our manager in my dungeon last year, and since the team has been doing great work; frankly our boss is quite well-behaved if the scrum master actually wields their power”
- Octabrain 3y agoIMHO, I haven't tried Windows 11 yet but having to disable system updates for being able to preserve user configuration says all I need to know about the quality and moral behind that OS. Also, with the due respect, unless you have other measures in place for covering security, I think disabiling system updates is a terrible choice from a user perspective.
- Dalewyn 3y agoThe only attack surface I care about are web browsers thanks to JavaShit becoming a practical necessity, but fortunately those are much simpler to update compared to an entire operating system. Even Edge keeps itself updated since it handles its updates separately from Windows Update. Everyone's threat models are different, mine simply doesn't care about most system-level vulnerabilities. I have had far more of my time and nerves wasted in the past by Windows Update compared to the supposed threats those updates protect against; the cure is worse than the disease.
- Unfrozen0688 3y ago>I will note that I have Windows Update completely blocked and disabled via Group Policy, which means my system settings never get reset under the guise of "updates" every month unlike most people's setups. In fact, I'm still running 21H2, NT kernel version 10.0.22000.1281. What is your plan here? Do you manually update after some time, or do you plan on running that version until you reinstall Windows 11? Do you reinstall with an updated ISO?
- Dalewyn 3y agoI update when I feel like the endeavour is worth doing (eg: specific kernel or DirectX updates I want/need) and I can allocate sufficient time and energy to address inevitable downtimes stemming from borkages and unwanted setting resets. Generally I don't reinstall Windows as I don't mistreat my Windows installations. As we speak, I've got a 15-year old XP install and an 11-year old Windows 7 install running perfectly fine on their machines (a Pentium 4 and i7-2700K machine respectively).
- askonomm 3y agoThat is quite frankly horrible advice.
- RunSet 3y ago> I will note that I have Windows Update completely blocked and disabled via Group Policy, which means my system settings never get reset under the guise of "updates" every month unlike most people's setups. Better to use a long term servicing channel (LTSC) than disable Windows Update entirely. The LTSC versions of Windows only get security updates, not feature updates.
- failrate 3y agoI was coming here to comment on exactly this experience. The banner ad for Edge that was inserted onto the chrome download page tried selling me on Edges privacy and/or security while doing something that essentially violated both.
- eviks 3y agoHow is some easy-to-ignore popup or even a few file types/protocols (aren't there still no automatic workarounds?) worse than breaking your system ? > 4, when installed on Windows 95 or NT 4, would replace or update many system files with its own special versions, which sometimes broke functionality of other applications, and made it almost impossible to re-install these OSes once IE 4 was installed.
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- MaxikCZ 3y agoThats as if a facism broke out and people would be like "why you say its worse than before, ever seen system of goverment of egyptians that built the pyramids?"
- xoac 3y agoWtf I just install Firefox and literally don't even register that Edge exists. Have used 11 since the beta. People make this into some very big issue while ignoring that the only real monopoly in this space is Google.
- askonomm 3y agoHow do you install Firefox without using Edge? By default there is no other browser on Windows, and presumably you need a browser to visit firefox.com, no? Or you carry Firefox installer around on a USB with you?
- throwawaysugar 3y agoWinkey+R and then powershell -Command "& {Invoke-WebRequest -Uri 'https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=win64&lang=en-US' -OutFile 'Firefox.exe'}" Not saying it's ergonomic but since you asked ;-)
- askonomm 3y agoI mean ... I guess this works. Edit: Actually now that I think about it I'm saving this to avoid using Edge myself in the future. Thank you!
- jodrellblank 3y ago-Command “& {thing}” is the same as -Command “thing”
- throwawaysugar 3y agoMakes sense, sorry... I hate PowerShell tbh. I just googled/ChatGPT'd that!
- extraduder_ire 3y agoDon't think they still have an FTP site, but I used the trick of opening ftp.mozilla.org in explorer to get an installer at least twice during the XP era. That said, I also used the MSN browser for fun sometimes, as well as web browsing in explorer.exe.
- qingcharles 3y agoI need to use Edge for testing. I opened it last night and it said "We've installed all your extensions from Chrome for you!"
- bionhoward 3y agoSo annoying! I use a thing to disable edge, but I also had to turn off some scheduled tasks to update it and spam open tabs. Another abhorrent Microsoft Windows 11 feature is the tacky ads plastered all over the beautiful Lock Screen images. Oh, check out this beautiful picture {GIVE US MORE MONEY FOR COPILOT TO TAKE YOUR MIND}! Truly, they fail to grasp the lesson of this random YouTube video https://youtu.be/MG7y8J0DXhU?si=lM46uNRGoVGrVDHL https://youtu.be/MG7y8J0DXhU?si=lM46uNRGoVGrVDHL
- tshirthoodie 3y ago>Chrome That's a funny way of spelling Firefox