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I don't have to show my ID in most establishments I visit. Doing this on a huge scale and automatically is a thousand times worse.

midasuni 3y ago
And when you do show ID, to buy booze for example, it’s checked and immediate forgotten by a human. Computers don’t forget, and any attempts to make companies do so (GDPR) are met with massive pushback from the players in the industry I have no problem with Joan over the road curtain twitching. It doesn’t scale. I have a massive problem with the 24/7 surveillance from ring though.
- NotSammyHagar 3y ago
  In the us, I noticed that grocery stores increasingly scan your drivers license (my state has bar codes). I think it's probably a way to keep clerks from passing someone through who is not quite 21 (a different captcha!). I have wondered if they keep the scan or does the state? I asked and the random hourly worker there said they don't.
  - maksimur 3y ago
    Do those grocery stores still scan your drivers license (or I guess any other ID) if you don't buy alcohol?
    - NotSammyHagar 3y ago
      no, they only scan if you buy booze.
  - midasuni 3y ago
    And that’s the problem. It’s not the ID checks, it’s the ability to scale. Check it at the door? Fine. Scan it and keep it forever (perhaps selling it on at a later date)? Not fine. Personal Data has to be treated as a liability, but too much of the economy treats it as an asset.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      Eh, what's worse is these stores are likely scanning your face and keeping it in a database. There was some mall a few years back scanning license plates and keeping the info. But yea, so many people are nieve of what the authoritarian types would do with data like that (looking at you Texas with your civil laws on abortion now).
maccard 3y ago
But you can't send in 1000 people per second into most establishments you visit either. It's not an apt comparison.
- pigeonhole123 3y ago
  No comparison can be made if everything has to be equal
  - maccard 3y ago
    If the only analogy you can think of removes the challenge of the problem your facing to be applicable, it's not an appropriate analogy. The entire difference is that from my mobile phone I can send more traffic in an hour than most services will ever see legitimate traffic in their entire lifetime, and the cost to me is minimal. The comparison is as invalid as comparing piracy to theft - piracy isn't theft, it's piracy, and understanding the difference between them is the key to dealing with the problem.
- eesmith 3y ago
  What does the number/second have to do with 'It’s hard to remain anonymous in the real world. The real world largely runs on identity and (identity) trust.'? There are very few places in the real world which can handl 1,000 people per second. In the real world I rarely need to identify myself. I can see a movie, visit the library, buy groceries, go to a restaurant, and more.
  - maccard 3y ago
    > What does the number/second have to do with 'It’s hard to remain anonymous in the real world. The real world largely runs on identity and (identity) trust.'? Hobest question, are you being serious here? The sxale of fraud and automated traffic is disproportionately large, and has a significantly lower barrier to entry than other forms of abuse. That's the entire reason. > There are very few places in the real world which can handl 1,000 people per second. Exactly, and if someone started sending thousands of people per second there, they would make it significantly more difficult to do so.

midasuni 3y ago

And when you do show ID, to buy booze for example, it’s checked and immediate forgotten by a human. Computers don’t forget, and any attempts to make companies do so (GDPR) are met with massive pushback from the players in the industry I have no problem with Joan over the road curtain twitching. It doesn’t scale. I have a massive problem with the 24/7 surveillance from ring though.

NotSammyHagar 3y ago
In the us, I noticed that grocery stores increasingly scan your drivers license (my state has bar codes). I think it's probably a way to keep clerks from passing someone through who is not quite 21 (a different captcha!). I have wondered if they keep the scan or does the state? I asked and the random hourly worker there said they don't.
- maksimur 3y ago
  Do those grocery stores still scan your drivers license (or I guess any other ID) if you don't buy alcohol?
  - NotSammyHagar 3y ago
    no, they only scan if you buy booze.
- midasuni 3y ago
  And that’s the problem. It’s not the ID checks, it’s the ability to scale. Check it at the door? Fine. Scan it and keep it forever (perhaps selling it on at a later date)? Not fine. Personal Data has to be treated as a liability, but too much of the economy treats it as an asset.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Eh, what's worse is these stores are likely scanning your face and keeping it in a database. There was some mall a few years back scanning license plates and keeping the info. But yea, so many people are nieve of what the authoritarian types would do with data like that (looking at you Texas with your civil laws on abortion now).

maccard 3y ago

But you can't send in 1000 people per second into most establishments you visit either. It's not an apt comparison.

pigeonhole123 3y ago
No comparison can be made if everything has to be equal
- maccard 3y ago
  If the only analogy you can think of removes the challenge of the problem your facing to be applicable, it's not an appropriate analogy. The entire difference is that from my mobile phone I can send more traffic in an hour than most services will ever see legitimate traffic in their entire lifetime, and the cost to me is minimal. The comparison is as invalid as comparing piracy to theft - piracy isn't theft, it's piracy, and understanding the difference between them is the key to dealing with the problem.
eesmith 3y ago
What does the number/second have to do with 'It’s hard to remain anonymous in the real world. The real world largely runs on identity and (identity) trust.'? There are very few places in the real world which can handl 1,000 people per second. In the real world I rarely need to identify myself. I can see a movie, visit the library, buy groceries, go to a restaurant, and more.
- maccard 3y ago
  > What does the number/second have to do with 'It’s hard to remain anonymous in the real world. The real world largely runs on identity and (identity) trust.'? Hobest question, are you being serious here? The sxale of fraud and automated traffic is disproportionately large, and has a significantly lower barrier to entry than other forms of abuse. That's the entire reason. > There are very few places in the real world which can handl 1,000 people per second. Exactly, and if someone started sending thousands of people per second there, they would make it significantly more difficult to do so.