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I got PIP'd twice, passed the first and took the money the second time. Some advice from my experience. Talk to your doc / therapist, you might be able to exte

I got PIP'd twice, passed the first and took the money the second time. Some advice from my experience. Talk to your doc / therapist, you might be able to extend the medical leave. Apartments may take into account your bank account balance as something that helps your approval. If you decide to stay and do the PIP project, realize that it's really about putting a good plan together and executing to that plan, communicating when the plan has a problem etc. Try to remove ALL the ambiguities in the plan before building whatever it is and design each part at one level below where you'd normally do it to make sure you don't have things that come up that surprise you. Everything other than your PIP work doesn't matter - no CRs, no help with design specs, oncall, nothing. Make sure to get sleep and exercise - if you combine stress with lack of those two things you just make things doubly bad. If you do pass the PIP, change orgs immediately. You need a new start without baggage (my mistake was I got re-orged under a manager that was instrumental in trying to PIP me previously, and then I stuck around to finish my current project instead of immediately leaving).

worthless-trash 3y ago
What do you mean "take the money" ? Is it some kind of payout to leave ?
- max_hammer 3y ago
  In Amazon, you are intially put on Focus, i.e management start building a case against against your performance (Documentation). Once focus period ends, you are given option to take Severance or Performance improvement plan (PiP).
  - ShamelessC 3y ago
    That is dehumanizing.
    - dookahku 3y ago
      it is, and if we ever get a software engineer union this is one of the first things we should target.
pipthrowaway23 3y ago
I appreciate the advice. I've exhausted my 6 months under short-term disability and now I am trying to extend it under long-term, but it isn't looking good so far. But it doesn't matter, I need a new job ASAP to find a new apartment either way. And, as far as apartments, it will be hit-or-miss if they take my bank into account but it seems very unlikely it will be enough to satisfy them. I'm not going to try the PIP - I know my management chain (several levels) want me to fail and to leave, and I'd rather have the extra severance than have to deal with the stress and then end up with less money after.

worthless-trash 3y ago

What do you mean "take the money" ? Is it some kind of payout to leave ?

max_hammer 3y ago
In Amazon, you are intially put on Focus, i.e management start building a case against against your performance (Documentation). Once focus period ends, you are given option to take Severance or Performance improvement plan (PiP).
- ShamelessC 3y ago
  That is dehumanizing.
  - dookahku 3y ago
    it is, and if we ever get a software engineer union this is one of the first things we should target.

pipthrowaway23 3y ago

I appreciate the advice. I've exhausted my 6 months under short-term disability and now I am trying to extend it under long-term, but it isn't looking good so far. But it doesn't matter, I need a new job ASAP to find a new apartment either way. And, as far as apartments, it will be hit-or-miss if they take my bank into account but it seems very unlikely it will be enough to satisfy them. I'm not going to try the PIP - I know my management chain (several levels) want me to fail and to leave, and I'd rather have the extra severance than have to deal with the stress and then end up with less money after.