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Once they get fully trained then how will websites ever distinguish between an intelligent bot and real human? At least now, they are outsourcing that filtering
by pyeri 3y ago
Once they get fully trained then how will websites ever distinguish between an intelligent bot and real human? At least now, they are outsourcing that filtering to services like cloudflare. But with this kind of training, how will even cloudflare distinguish between bot and the human?
- jacquesm 3y agoThe human will be the slower one.
- candiodari 3y agoYeah, no offence, but sleep(2 + random.sample(coffee + toilet + sneezing + normal response time)) has been a required part of web scrapers since forever. With coffee N(1,5 minutes, 20 seconds), toilet N(4 minutes, 30 seconds), ...
- rezonant 3y agoI guess it depends on how you're scraping. For general web crawling, simply implementing a response time based crawl back off per origin and identifying yourself appropriately in User Agent goes a long way. If you are instead automating Facebook's SPA to pull comments for analysis, then yeah you need to emulate a human, because that's not how they intend you to do it.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat's incredibly clever!
- candiodari 3y agoThe thing about CAPTCHAs is that convnets were already better than the average human at reading most/all visual captchas, since ~2000. You still needed to program the logic of the captcha (it couldn't follow instructions like "find the red lights", but it could take a picture and find the red lights). I wonder when we'll get to the point that employers can't tell the difference between transformers and real humans anymore ...
- JimDabell 3y ago> how will websites ever distinguish between an intelligent bot and real human? Things like Private Access Tokens: https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-and-macs-using-new-standard/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-...
- szundi 3y agoEU digital ID, asking for mobile number and sending text, so something that is linked to an ID and/or costs money to have. Goodbye anonimity, probably.
- jhrmnn 3y agoThis just made me ponder again—where does the assumption that the Internet should allow unconstrained anonymity come from, other than that’s how it used to be for some time? The real world doesn’t allow that. It’s hard to remain anonymous in the real world. The real world largely runs on identity and (identity) trust. Why should the Internet be different?
- pigeonhole123 3y agoI don't have to show my ID in most establishments I visit. Doing this on a huge scale and automatically is a thousand times worse.
- midasuni 3y agoAnd when you do show ID, to buy booze for example, it’s checked and immediate forgotten by a human. Computers don’t forget, and any attempts to make companies do so (GDPR) are met with massive pushback from the players in the industry I have no problem with Joan over the road curtain twitching. It doesn’t scale. I have a massive problem with the 24/7 surveillance from ring though.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoIn the us, I noticed that grocery stores increasingly scan your drivers license (my state has bar codes). I think it's probably a way to keep clerks from passing someone through who is not quite 21 (a different captcha!). I have wondered if they keep the scan or does the state? I asked and the random hourly worker there said they don't.
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