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Nothing. People will have to realise that when you put things out for the world you put things out for the world.

by tomjen3 3y ago

shadowgovt 3y ago
Who pays for the bandwidth and download resources then?
- baydarr 3y ago
  The website or service owners. If they can't afford it they should be out of business and do something else. The web is big enough for both humans and bots.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    No thank you. I prefer to live by the code "Every request is a two way conversation. The client may accept, and the server may choose to emit." Just because I emit to other clients does not obligate me to emit to yours, any more than my emission of ads obligates you to accept and render them (but if you don't, or if you choose to ignore my CAPTCHAs, I may choose not to emit to you).
    - baydarr 3y ago
      That's fighting a losing battle. Clients find their way around any restriction, which by itself risks your service or website losing ground and being overtaken by the alternatives.
      - shadowgovt 3y ago
        Yes, it's all measure countermeasure. But you'll note that the most successful sites out there have bot protection and actively invest in it. I'm not concerned about the being overtaken narrative; My concern is the other scenario, where after the bots are done consuming and exfiltrating my data, I have no bandwidth to serve humans and my data is being vended from other sources now anyway. It's also not really that much of a losing battle. Cloudflare will fight the battle for me quite well for free, and even better for a pittance.
- tomjen3 3y ago
  It will be a business or personal expense, depending. Businesses that can't afford the expense will close or adapt, depending. Maybe fewer hobby projects will be launched.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    Indeed. Which is why my hobby projects will continue to use bot detection and CAPTCHA recognition. Especially since I'm routing through Cloudflare, so that's invisible for 99% of my users and the remaining 1% can just get off Tor if they're tired of solving the captions.
    - tomjen3 3y ago
      You are welcome to do so, but if spammers can break the captchas, then you only annoy your normal visitors.

Nothing. People will have to realise that when you put things out for the world you put things out for the world.

shadowgovt 3y ago

Who pays for the bandwidth and download resources then?

baydarr 3y ago
The website or service owners. If they can't afford it they should be out of business and do something else. The web is big enough for both humans and bots.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  No thank you. I prefer to live by the code "Every request is a two way conversation. The client may accept, and the server may choose to emit." Just because I emit to other clients does not obligate me to emit to yours, any more than my emission of ads obligates you to accept and render them (but if you don't, or if you choose to ignore my CAPTCHAs, I may choose not to emit to you).
  - baydarr 3y ago
    That's fighting a losing battle. Clients find their way around any restriction, which by itself risks your service or website losing ground and being overtaken by the alternatives.
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      Yes, it's all measure countermeasure. But you'll note that the most successful sites out there have bot protection and actively invest in it. I'm not concerned about the being overtaken narrative; My concern is the other scenario, where after the bots are done consuming and exfiltrating my data, I have no bandwidth to serve humans and my data is being vended from other sources now anyway. It's also not really that much of a losing battle. Cloudflare will fight the battle for me quite well for free, and even better for a pittance.
tomjen3 3y ago
It will be a business or personal expense, depending. Businesses that can't afford the expense will close or adapt, depending. Maybe fewer hobby projects will be launched.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  Indeed. Which is why my hobby projects will continue to use bot detection and CAPTCHA recognition. Especially since I'm routing through Cloudflare, so that's invisible for 99% of my users and the remaining 1% can just get off Tor if they're tired of solving the captions.
  - tomjen3 3y ago
    You are welcome to do so, but if spammers can break the captchas, then you only annoy your normal visitors.