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Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. If this was a problem, we’d already see it in pedestrian injury statistics. (You may hav

Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. If this was a problem, we’d already see it in pedestrian injury statistics. (You may have a point with respect to systems like Supercruise and Tesla FSD, but that’s not the topic of this article.)

chroma 3y ago
Tesla offers three tiers of automated driving: Autopilot. This automatically accelerates, decelerates, and steers on roads. This works on all roads with lane markings, not just limited access freeways. It also obeys speed limit signs. Enhanced autopilot. This is autopilot but will also self drive from on-ramp to off-ramp, changing lanes to pass (and exit the passing lane), taking interchanges to other freeways, and exiting the offramp. Full self driving beta. This will drive on pretty much any street. Early on it was purely a gimmick that required constant intervention, but lately it’s gotten pretty good. My main complaint is that it drives too conservatively, causing impatient drivers to behave erratically around you. Imagine someone driving as if they're taking a driving test. Because of that I tend to drive manually unless I’m on a freeway.
gnicholas 3y ago
> Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. Really? My understanding is that many new vehicles have lane keep assist and dynamic cruise control, but that they are much more limited than Autopilot. For example, lots of cars have much tighter limits on the curves they will follow. They also don't have the UI that Autopilot has, which shows what cars it detects. This gives more of a sense of full autonomy (although I find it a bit creepy/worrisome when vehicles appear and disappear on the screen for no reason — one would think this would give people pause). There are definitely more expensive vehicles (Cadillac, Mercedes) that have more robust systems, but my sense is that your typical Toyota, Subaru, etc. isn't close to Autopilot.
- simondotau 3y ago
  Autopilot really is just adaptive cruise control and lane centering. It can't change lanes by itself. It can't take an exit. It won't stop at an intersection. It can't turn corners. These things are blindingly obvious within a few minutes of use. Yes it's more slick than the cruise assist features on your typical Toyota, Subaru etc, but not dramatically so. Some people argue that Tesla customers think they've been sold autonomy. I can't see how. Tesla goes to pains to make you aware of the $12k you would need to spend to get the system that "self drives". You are painfully aware of the $12k you didn't spend.
  - jaktet 3y ago
    What’s confusing to me is I consider “autopilot” to be what happens when I press down on the stalk once, which doesn’t do lane centering and only enables adaptive cruise control. Reading the current marketing descriptions of the features (https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-vs-enhanced-autopilot/#:~:text='Standard' https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-vs-enhanced-... Autopilot – this was,and Navigate-on-Autopilot) doesn’t help. If you don’t have FSD beta purchased or enhanced autopilot purchased, does pressing down on the stalk twice enable lane centering?
hmottestad 3y ago
I wouldn't say "most". I've tested Toyota and Nissan, and they can't even drive on a normal road and are barely useful on a motorway. Every time there is a merge lane on the right they will both creep into that lane once the lane markings disappear. Nissan's ProPilot can't handle a regular meandering road, at the first sign of a tight corner it will give up, but not before pretending that everything is fine leaving you with 2 seconds to stop it from driving off the road. I think that Tesla is about 20 years ahead of Toyota and 50 years ahead of Nissan.

chroma 3y ago

Tesla offers three tiers of automated driving: Autopilot. This automatically accelerates, decelerates, and steers on roads. This works on all roads with lane markings, not just limited access freeways. It also obeys speed limit signs. Enhanced autopilot. This is autopilot but will also self drive from on-ramp to off-ramp, changing lanes to pass (and exit the passing lane), taking interchanges to other freeways, and exiting the offramp. Full self driving beta. This will drive on pretty much any street. Early on it was purely a gimmick that required constant intervention, but lately it’s gotten pretty good. My main complaint is that it drives too conservatively, causing impatient drivers to behave erratically around you. Imagine someone driving as if they're taking a driving test. Because of that I tend to drive manually unless I’m on a freeway.

gnicholas 3y ago

> Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. Really? My understanding is that many new vehicles have lane keep assist and dynamic cruise control, but that they are much more limited than Autopilot. For example, lots of cars have much tighter limits on the curves they will follow. They also don't have the UI that Autopilot has, which shows what cars it detects. This gives more of a sense of full autonomy (although I find it a bit creepy/worrisome when vehicles appear and disappear on the screen for no reason — one would think this would give people pause). There are definitely more expensive vehicles (Cadillac, Mercedes) that have more robust systems, but my sense is that your typical Toyota, Subaru, etc. isn't close to Autopilot.

simondotau 3y ago
Autopilot really is just adaptive cruise control and lane centering. It can't change lanes by itself. It can't take an exit. It won't stop at an intersection. It can't turn corners. These things are blindingly obvious within a few minutes of use. Yes it's more slick than the cruise assist features on your typical Toyota, Subaru etc, but not dramatically so. Some people argue that Tesla customers think they've been sold autonomy. I can't see how. Tesla goes to pains to make you aware of the $12k you would need to spend to get the system that "self drives". You are painfully aware of the $12k you didn't spend.
- jaktet 3y ago
  What’s confusing to me is I consider “autopilot” to be what happens when I press down on the stalk once, which doesn’t do lane centering and only enables adaptive cruise control. Reading the current marketing descriptions of the features (https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-vs-enhanced-autopilot/#:~:text='Standard' https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-vs-enhanced-... Autopilot – this was,and Navigate-on-Autopilot) doesn’t help. If you don’t have FSD beta purchased or enhanced autopilot purchased, does pressing down on the stalk twice enable lane centering?

hmottestad 3y ago

I wouldn't say "most". I've tested Toyota and Nissan, and they can't even drive on a normal road and are barely useful on a motorway. Every time there is a merge lane on the right they will both creep into that lane once the lane markings disappear. Nissan's ProPilot can't handle a regular meandering road, at the first sign of a tight corner it will give up, but not before pretending that everything is fine leaving you with 2 seconds to stop it from driving off the road. I think that Tesla is about 20 years ahead of Toyota and 50 years ahead of Nissan.