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Retribution and deterrence certainly would work with reasonable penalty let's say 10 years per murdered person. Also that sort of sentence would work for incapa

• JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > say 10 years per murdered person Sure. Nobody was murdered. > clearly 23k is not high enough to stop many people from repeating this crime That’s not the penalty. It’s a criminal conviction, the fine and probation. I don’t know the terms of the probation, but I assume it means he goes to jail for traffic infractions. Also, he’s going to pay a lot more than $23k given the civil case is ongoing.
  • Ekaros 3y ago
    Don't you find 23k fine insanely low for in essence murdering two people? To me it is laughable amount. This sort of crime should have such a high fine that everyone including billionaires will be deterred to repeat it.
    • ErasticBrub 3y ago
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  • Arainach 3y ago
    Manslaughter is also a felony. Even the language around automobiles is corrupted. Essentially all "accidents" aren't. Owning and operating a multi-ton machine capable of travelling at high speed and rapidly accelerating is a huge responsibility. Being distracted isn't an accident, it's negligence. Not mechanically maintaining the vehicle is negligence. Not supervising your vehicle, even when you have some sort of digital aid enabled, is negligence. None of these are accidents. Calling a system that is not fully self-driving "autopilot" while knowing exactly what the general public considers that term to mean is....something worse than negligence.
    • JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Manslaughter is also a felony The driver was convicted of a felony. > Calling a system that is not fully self-driving "autopilot"...is....something worse than negligence So we agree that the driver isn't, by default, subject to a minimum penalty of jail time.
      • Arainach 3y ago
        I don't understand what you're arguing at this point. Given the rates of vehicle deaths in the US, the penalties are clearly not high enough to act as a deterrent. The "default" for this charge absolutely involves at least a year of jail time (that is, in fact, the defining difference between a felony and a misdemeanor), and the plea deal in this case is an affront to justice.
  • kenjackson 3y ago
    How often do people actually pay civil damages from these sorts of cases? It seems like there is a whole cottage industry around finding loopholes to avoid paying. Do you expect Giuliani to pay a cent?
• torstenvl 3y ago
  There are zero murdered persons in this case.