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Irrelevant but curious if MongoDB is still being picked up for Greenfield projects given it's licensing.

• deleted 3y ago
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• dnndev 3y ago
  What’s wrong with licensing?
  • sigzero 3y ago
    https://www.mongodb.com/licensing/server-side-public-license/faq https://www.mongodb.com/licensing/server-side-public-license... I am not sure really. "It should be noted that the new license maintains all of the same freedoms the community has always had with MongoDB under AGPL - they are free to use, review, modify, and redistribute the source code. The only changes are additional terms that make explicit the conditions for offering a publicly available MongoDB as a service. Obviously, this new license helps our business, but it is also important for the MongoDB community. MongoDB has invested over $300M in R&D over the past decade to offer an open database for everyone, and with this change, MongoDB will continue to be able to aggressively invest in R&D to drive further innovation and value for the community."
  • bdcravens 3y ago
    https://thenewstack.io/the-case-against-the-server-side-public-license-sspl/ https://thenewstack.io/the-case-against-the-server-side-publ...
  • forwardemail 3y ago
    Encryption at rest is not supported in the community/free version of MongoDB. We built an email service (IMAP support added a month ago) and wrote a WebSocket to SQLite layer to solve our encryption at rest needs for storage. See our deep dive at https://forwardemail.net/blog/docs/best-quantum-safe-encrypted-email-service https://forwardemail.net/blog/docs/best-quantum-safe-encrypt... for insight.
    • dnndev 3y ago
      Really? How many open source databases do you offer? Some may say it’s not right for randos to complain when you give something away and they complain that it’s missing basics. I just happy someone else wrote most of what I need and I can extend it if needed.
    • Nextgrid 3y ago
      I wonder, why would you want DB-managed encryption instead of just putting its storage directory in a LUKS-encrypted volume?
      • forwardemail 3y ago
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    • PeterZaitsev 3y ago
      Note Percona Server for MongoDB is drop-in replacement for MongoDB and supports Data at Rest Encryption, on SSPL version https://docs.percona.com/percona-server-for-mongodb/5.0/data-at-rest-encryption.html https://docs.percona.com/percona-server-for-mongodb/5.0/data...
  • mananaysiempre 3y ago
    MongoDB’s SSPL is neither an open source license[1] nor, most likely, a free software one[2]. Its definition of offering the licensed software as a service is so broad most Linux distributions[3–6] flat out refuse to ship MongoDB (not even in a nonfree repository or the equivalent) so as to (among other things) avoid placing the operators of their package mirrors in legal jeopardy. [1] https://blog.opensource.org/the-sspl-is-not-an-open-source-license/ https://blog.opensource.org/the-sspl-is-not-an-open-source-l... [2] https://opensource.stackexchange.com/q/13888 https://opensource.stackexchange.com/q/13888 [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915537 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915537 [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal [5] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122267 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122267 [6] https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/OY2DLNWTZOBPAHFE5FSV4Q6AIWGZO6KV/ https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@li...
• ranting-moth 3y ago
  Their license "is to require that enhancements to MongoDB be released to the community." I think it only hurts people who want to freeride the project and extend it for selfish personal gains. That's OK by me.
  • varelaz 3y ago
    That's reply to Amazon abuse of MongoDB (DocumentDB)
    • PeterZaitsev 3y ago
      It is the opposite. Amazon would have released MongoDB as a service, same as they do for PostgreSQL or MySQL. As MongoDB changed license they implemented DocumentDB instead. Note AWS significantly contributes to PostgreSQL and MySQL communities (though you could always want even more) but of course does not to MongoDB. While this is fine for MongoDB Inc I think it is not great for MongoDB community at large
  • PeterZaitsev 3y ago
    Not really. It really designed to prevent anyone else having MongoDB DBaaS without having license from MongoDB, which it does rather successfully.
  • peterfarkas 3y ago
    Anyone can provide Postgres, MySQL or other open source databases as a service. For this reason, there are many providers to choose from, and there is a healthy amount of innovation and competition in the space. Prices are set by market and demand, as it should be. And then there is MongoDB where only a handful of providers could negotiate a license, and the price is set by MongoDB Inc. In my opinion this is by no means "fine" from a user perspective as we are talking about database software. If anyone did freeriding, it is MongoDB Inc. who chose to freeride on the open source community for marketing purposes, before switching to SSPL.
• pleoxy 3y ago
  Nothing wrong with picking mongo if it's a good fit for your use case.
  • webappguy 3y ago
    Exactly
  • cpursley 3y ago
    And what's a good use case over Postgres jsonb?
    • Thaxll 3y ago
      Postgress is single master which is a huge limitation.
      • cpursley 3y ago
        How so?
        • Thaxll 3y ago
          How do you scale a single master out of the box?
          • cpursley 3y ago
            What's nice about Postgres is there's a ton of Postgres compatible products that do scale for the 10% who actually need it. And it's still all just Postgres / SQL.
            • Thaxll 3y ago
              Again it's not out of the box and your so called "tons" vary in quality and features.
    • pleoxy 3y ago
• PeterZaitsev 3y ago
  Oh yes. By people who do not or does not care about Open Source... and these are many