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"The prices will apply to vehicles weighing more than 1.6 tonnes with a combustion engine or hybrid vehicles, and more than 2 tonnes for electric vehicles." So
by jupp0r 3y ago
"The prices will apply to vehicles weighing more than 1.6 tonnes with a combustion engine or hybrid vehicles, and more than 2 tonnes for electric vehicles."
So much for the air pollution part.
- tjoff 3y agoHeavy cars contribute produce more road and tire particles.
- jupp0r 3y agoBut electric cars lack all tailpipe emissions. 2 tons is just slightly heavier than a Tesla Model Y, a compact SUV barely large enough for a family of 4 (you don't want to be the person sitting between the child seats in the back, trust me). This is about social signaling, not air pollution.
- tjoff 3y agoYes, but it is still a serious problem. Tesla Model Y is a huge vehicle.
- jupp0r 3y agoWhy is it a huge problem? A 2 ton Model Y produces much less pollution than an ICE compact car. My feeling is that you don't like certain cars and don't care about pollution at all.
- kehrin 3y ago> A 2 ton Model Y produces much less pollution than an ICE compact car. Because a 1.5t Zoe pollutes even less :P We can argue about the cut-off line, but it'll be arbitrary - the only thing for certain is that the mayor seems to agree with the sentiment.
- tjoff 3y agoYour detective powers have revealed my inner secret. I don't like big cars... Because they care bad for the environment. Because they take up a lot of space. Because they are unsafe, especially for others. Tire and road particles are quite serious. You are correct that an ICE car is worse, and yes in a perfect world we'd ban them entirely. But there are many reasons for why that is difficult. Paying a small tax for extravagant vehicles for the greater good of a community is not a problem. If anything 2 tons is way too much. We need more incentives to make light vehicles. Not just deterrents for way too big cars.
- kehrin 3y ago> But electric cars lack all tailpipe emissions. Like GP mentioned, tires also pollute via abrasion. > 2 tons is just slightly heavier than a Tesla Model Y, a compact SUV barely large enough for a family of 4 A Model Y by Parisian scale is a incredibly huge car. French (and honestly most European) families get by with VW Golf sized car.
- jupp0r 3y agoWhat does the size of the car have to do with pollution? My point was that EVs (even 2 ton EVs) cause much less pollution than even very compact ICE cars. If the parking fees are about the size of cars, then they should be taxed by volume or footprint area.
- kehrin 3y agoBecause heavy electric cars still pollute more than light electric cars through tire and brake particles. Taxing by size would be neat, but I understand that that would make the calculation even more complicated.
- Fiahil 3y agoA Zoe is 1.5t ..
- kehrin 3y agoWhich means the cute french car has more than 500kg of headroom until it would have to pay the increased parking tariff... > and more than 2 tonnes for electric vehicles.
- jupp0r 3y agoElectric cars do most their braking using regenerative braking which produces zero particles.
- tjoff 3y ago... road and tire particles ...
- jupp0r 3y agoCare to elaborate why you ignore the fact that electric cars (even heavy ones) produce much less overall particulate pollution than combustion engine cars and why you focus instead on a narrow category where they are worse? My point still stands.
- kehrin 3y agoThis is not about ICE vs EV, this is about big vs small. Opulent vs necessary. Like the mayor is quoted saying in the article: It's about "very expensive cars, driven by people who today have not yet made the changes to their behaviour that have to be made". Heavy cars pollute more with their tires and brakes. That is why even heavy electric cars are affected.
- jupp0r 3y agoSorry I don't get it. Heavy EVs pollute less than compact ICE vehicles. This is about the weight (and maybe price?) of cars, not about pollution. Maybe it's about cultural hatred of SUVs?
- enragedcacti 3y agoRegenerative braking does create tire particles
- jupp0r 3y agoWhich is less than cars without regenerative braking, which produce particles from brake pad and rotor wear on top of similar tire wear.