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The West has safety regulations that are followed. If a building collapses or a train crashes in China, they just brick over it and build a new one.

eunos 3y ago
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djmips 3y ago
Move fast and break things.
toyg 3y ago
Yes. Also, rules and regulations on expropriation of land, relocation of people etc, with plenty of long appeal processes. China? "Go away or else".
- southerntofu 3y ago
  I don't know where you live, but in France and surrounding countries expropriations are certainly "go away or else". It's very common for the cops to evict people for industrial projects that have been found illegal by tribunals, and it's not unheard of that the mafia itself beats up small owners until they "give up" their land. It's also common for people to get maimed protesting industrial projects (lose an eye, hand, foot due to military grenades), and not unheard of for them to die killed by the State (Vital Michalon, Rémi Fraisse, etc). In France, most appeals processes you can have when your eviction has been decided can in fact not delay the eviction. You can be evicted before having your appeals hearing. The Grand Paris has already expropriated so many small owners (from popular districts) for the olympic games madness, and it's so common for farmers to be expropriated away from their lands to build crazy useless projects, such as the NDDL airport where residents had to defend themselves with molotov cocktails against more than 500 riot cops trying to destroy their homes back in 2012. So, maybe it's better where you live but please don't pretend the West is a marvelous land of human rights. I'm of course not saying China is a dream-like State of human bliss and safety ; they're a tyrannical regime crushing their population. I'm just saying if you scratch the surface, it's not wildly different here (although comparatively better in some regards).
- Dah00n 3y ago
  That is not at all how the system in China works..
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  While mainland China's land ownership is more like a series of 99-year leases, those leases are notoriously difficult to break. There are loads of examples of buildings in China being built around a few land holdouts. In fact, it's so common that real estate developers in China call them "nail houses[0]". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holdout_(real_estate)#Nail_house https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holdout_(real_estate)#Nail_hou...
southerntofu 3y ago
As a westerner myself, i think you have a misguided view of the West that's biased by a higher socio-economic status. Safety regulations are often not followed in the West. See for example "Greenfell tower", "rue d'Aubagne Marseille" or "East palestine train derailment".
Dah00n 3y ago
That's so biased, it reads like xenophobia. Have you seen the state of trains, railways, bridges, etc. in the US? China is a much safer place to travel on bridges, rail, etc.

eunos 3y ago

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djmips 3y ago

Move fast and break things.

toyg 3y ago

Yes. Also, rules and regulations on expropriation of land, relocation of people etc, with plenty of long appeal processes. China? "Go away or else".

southerntofu 3y ago
I don't know where you live, but in France and surrounding countries expropriations are certainly "go away or else". It's very common for the cops to evict people for industrial projects that have been found illegal by tribunals, and it's not unheard of that the mafia itself beats up small owners until they "give up" their land. It's also common for people to get maimed protesting industrial projects (lose an eye, hand, foot due to military grenades), and not unheard of for them to die killed by the State (Vital Michalon, Rémi Fraisse, etc). In France, most appeals processes you can have when your eviction has been decided can in fact not delay the eviction. You can be evicted before having your appeals hearing. The Grand Paris has already expropriated so many small owners (from popular districts) for the olympic games madness, and it's so common for farmers to be expropriated away from their lands to build crazy useless projects, such as the NDDL airport where residents had to defend themselves with molotov cocktails against more than 500 riot cops trying to destroy their homes back in 2012. So, maybe it's better where you live but please don't pretend the West is a marvelous land of human rights. I'm of course not saying China is a dream-like State of human bliss and safety ; they're a tyrannical regime crushing their population. I'm just saying if you scratch the surface, it's not wildly different here (although comparatively better in some regards).
Dah00n 3y ago
That is not at all how the system in China works..
kmeisthax 3y ago
While mainland China's land ownership is more like a series of 99-year leases, those leases are notoriously difficult to break. There are loads of examples of buildings in China being built around a few land holdouts. In fact, it's so common that real estate developers in China call them "nail houses[0]". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holdout_(real_estate)#Nail_house https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holdout_(real_estate)#Nail_hou...

southerntofu 3y ago

As a westerner myself, i think you have a misguided view of the West that's biased by a higher socio-economic status. Safety regulations are often not followed in the West. See for example "Greenfell tower", "rue d'Aubagne Marseille" or "East palestine train derailment".

Dah00n 3y ago

That's so biased, it reads like xenophobia. Have you seen the state of trains, railways, bridges, etc. in the US? China is a much safer place to travel on bridges, rail, etc.