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Honestly we should be taxing vehicles worldwide by weight. Damage to the road is x^4 to this value and it also would have the benefit of driving vehicles to be
by outside1234 3y ago
Honestly we should be taxing vehicles worldwide by weight. Damage to the road is x^4 to this value and it also would have the benefit of driving vehicles to be lighter and more fuel efficient and kill less pedestrians.
- buildbot 3y agoYep. Pushes the industry to research lighter composites too, let’s see more carbon fiber chassis like the BMW i3! (A really underrated great little vehicle, my sibling has one and it rocks!)
- sidewndr46 3y agoIn the US, this would work out to taxing the shipping industry. This would in turn raise the price of goods. In short, it is unlikely to ever happen
- Eric_WVGG 3y agoIt’s not difficult to carve out exemptions for commercial and industry.
- jfim 3y agoThe road repairs have to be done either way, taxes just change who pays for them, whether it's gas taxes, overweight vehicle taxes, or general tax revenues. Besides, trucks carrying goods are already taxed based on weight, they're measured at the truck weighing stations on the highway.
- delfinom 3y agoShipping is already taxed by weight throughout the US. It is enforced by a nationwide network of state run weight stations that are actively enforced by police. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/hvut/mod1/whatishvut.cfm#:~:text=If%20the%20gross%20taxable%20weight,HVUT%20is%20%24550%20per%20year https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/hvut/mod1/whatish....
- sidewndr46 3y ago"taxed by weight" does not imply that it is taxed at amount commensurate to the damage to the roadway
- evmar 3y agoIronically in the US if your car is heavy enough you get a tax break, which the auto manufacturers know and target: https://www.mbotw.com/section-179-tax-exemption/ https://www.mbotw.com/section-179-tax-exemption/
- spockz 3y agoIn the Netherlands vehicles are taxed at sale, before VAT so VAT is also payed over this tax, based on emissions. Then there is a quarterly tax based on the weight of the car. Currently zero emission cars get a 100% discount on the latter and hybrid get 50% discount. Diesels cost about triple. Cars in NL are way more expensive then in the neighbouring countries.
- nsajko 3y agoWhat stops someone from buying their car in a neighboring country?
- jhenkens 3y agoI'd guess same as across states in the US, registration?
- ponector 3y agoNot across the states. Across the border. What stops people in US to buy and drive car from Mexico? Huh, you can't even buy in US a decent new European car if someone decided not to sell the model through the dealership. Wait 25 years and only then you can import and register it.
- 4ggr0 3y agoimport tax, probably.
- brnt 3y agoYou need to import it and register it in order to drive it, and then you'll be paying that tax same as when bought from a Dutch shop. The tax does decay for second hand cars, so there's a big market for foreign newtimers.
- netsharc 3y agohttps://expatinfoholland.nl/help-guides/transport-mobility/bringing-a-car-to-the-netherlands/ https://expatinfoholland.nl/help-guides/transport-mobility/b... They'd still be taxed, unless they lived in the foreign EU country for 12 months and bought the car and owned it for 6 months. I suppose the EU is a customs union, but "some restrictions apply".
- doh 3y agoI do agree with this with the caveat that EVs are heavier than ICE. So it could be weight + emission = tax. That way while EVs are heavier they have no emissions and thus the price equalizes at some point.
- reisse 3y agoThis will significantly hurt all the EVs.
- alamortsubite 3y agoNot all, only the big ones. The small ones will benefit from this (and there are many).
- kehrin 3y agoDoubt it. The next chapter for EVs will be truly affordable vehicles, which naturally tend to be smaller. And with a more compact size (and most likely less batteries) will come lower weight. Besides, ICE cars have gotten heavy, too. So the extra 400kg headroom that EVs have should give them a decent fighting chance.
- quantumwannabe 3y agoBe careful what you wish for. Under a fair weight tax scheme, a passenger of a fully loaded bus would pay more than a solo driver of a Hummer EV (one of the heaviest SUVs on the market). Some data on bus weights [1]: Transit Bus Type Passengers Curb Weight (lb) Fully‐Loaded Weight (lb) Max Seated Max Total 2‐axle 35‐foot 27 – 40 46 – 72 15,450 – 28,510 23,360 – 39,020 2‐axle 40‐foot 35 – 44 61 – 92 20,520 – 32,520 30,600 – 44,100 2‐axle 45‐foot 44 – 46 80 – 86 30,130 – 30,450 41,480 – 42,530 3‐axle 45‐foot Double‐deck 79 – 82 116 – 122 36,560 – 37,930 54,670 – 55,850 3‐axle 60‐foot Articulated 41 – 61 89 – 123 37,920 – 49,520 55,975 – 64,690 The Hummer EV's curb weight is 9063 lbs (add 150 lbs for an average driver) and it has two axles for a loaded axle weight of 4607 lbs. A three axle articulated bus with 123 passengers has a loaded axle weight of 21,563 lbs using the data from the table above. This means that the bus has ~4.7 times the load per axle as the SUV, so per the fourth power law, it does 488 times as much damage to the road as the SUV. Since it carries 123 people, that means that each bus passenger is doing ~4 times as much damage to the road as the SUV driver. [1] https://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/docs/TCRPJ-11Task20-FR.pdf https://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/docs/TCRPJ-11Task... (Table 7/Page 25)
- ponector 3y agoIt is easy to exclude vehicles used for mass transit. Let's say every vehicle which required a driver license D is exempt of such tax. I generally agree, personal vehicles should be taxed based on weight and power. Small taxes for small cars(fiat 500) and extra high taxes for ridiculously heavy and/or powerful vehicles like 911 or cybertuck.
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoThe point is you’d have to create an exception. The rule doesn’t work naturally, which implies it might be flawed.
- ponector 3y ago