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> "The question is why the customers don't give Apple and its pathetic excuses the middle finger- and instead praise the wisdom of the company and whine about A
by sbuk 3y ago
> "The question is why the customers don't give Apple and its pathetic excuses the middle finger- and instead praise the wisdom of the company and whine about Android users not buying iPhones"
Likewise, Android users "whine" about being not let in an use all sorts of logical fallacies to make their case. The solution, which the rest of the Android and iOS using planet has come to, is to simply use another cross platform product. There are plenty of them. Some closed, some open. All have similar features. They integrate into the respective OSs nicely. For instance, WhatsApp and Signal contacts appear in share sheets in-between iMessage contacts in iOS, so sharing things like websites is simple.
No, Messages being the default does not give Apple any advantage, again as demonstrated by the rest of the world. That isn't to say iMessage isn't used at all, but it is very much an also ran in the significant majority of markets.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoEveryone uses phones. One phone manufacturer shouldn't be able to ostracize customers of every other phone manufacturer, punish them, and deliberately cripple the experience for its users. > Android users whine about being not let in an use all sorts of logical fallacies to make their case Name 5.
- sbuk 3y agoAndroid users or fallacies?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoFallacies.
- sbuk 3y agoThere are five in the GPs post: - Strawman - Ad Hominem - False Dilemma - Hasty Generalization - Appeal to Emotion One more for free; Begging the Question...
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> Strawman He isn't arguing against a strawman, i.e. a misrepresented argument, he's saying the issue is not what OP claims and saying the issue is something else. > Ad Hominem He isn't using insults in place of an argument, he is including insults with his argument, so it's not an ad hominem. > False Dilemma He isn't falsely reducing the choices down to two or a few, he's just asking why Apple's customers don't act a certain way or have a problem with something. > Hasty Generalization What is it you think he is incorrectly generalizing to support his overall argument? > Appeal to Emotion He might be including emotional language, but he isn't relying on people feeling a particular way to agree with him at all. There is no appeal to emotion. > One more for free; Begging the Question... What question do you think he is ignoring/assuming to have been answered in making his claim?
- shreyansh_k 3y agoWhile I'm not an Apple fanboy but I don't think it's Apple's fault that the ecosystem _they_ invested in became useful to them as well as their people. Argument such as "everyone uses phones..." don't seem very conductive to a fruitful discussion. For an example, similar case can be made for all AI tech (ChatGPT, Gemini etc) as all major tech companies are doing AI development these days. "Everyone is doing AI. One AI organisation shouldn't be able to ostracize customers of every other AI organisation, punish them, and deliberately cripple the experience for its users." The above is the same argument from a different perspective and is making a similar case as yours but for ChatGPT and Gemini. I hope that am I able to contrast the similarities sufficiently.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> While I'm not an Apple fanboy but I don't think it's Apple's fault that the ecosystem _they_ invested in became useful to them as well as their people. It kind of is. They replaced the standard messaging app with a proprietary alternative, and then othered and ostracized users of non-Apple platforms who tried to use the standard. > Argument such as "everyone uses phones..." don't seem very conductive to a fruitful discussion. For an example, similar case can be made for all AI tech (ChatGPT, Gemini etc) as all major tech companies are doing AI development these days. How so? What similar case? > "Everyone is doing AI. One AI organisation shouldn't be able to ostracize customers of every other AI organisation, punish them, and deliberately cripple the experience for its users." How is OpenAI punishing people using alternatives to ChatGPT? > The above is the same argument from a different perspective and is making a similar case as yours but for ChatGPT and Gemini. I hope that am I able to contrast the similarities sufficiently. I don't see the example you gave as matching at all, but I look forward to your clarification. I'm not being sarcastic either, I know it sounds like I am.
- sbuk 3y ago> It kind of is. They replaced the standard messaging app with a proprietary alternative, and then othered and ostracized users of non-Apple platforms who tried to use the standard. Nope. SMS and MMS were still present, and as they were at the time iMessage was introduced, the only global messaging standard. Apple has also commited to bring another standard to the platform in RCS. The notion that iMessage is a standard is wrong. It's an unpublished/private API. To call it a protocol would also be wrong.
- superb_dev 3y agoThey aren’t “crippling” anything?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoSure they are. That's why iPhone users dislike texting with Android users.