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I really don’t buy that last paragraph. It’s the idea the AI Pin founders keep saying - you don’t want apps, the device chooses it for you, etc. In a world wher

by herval 3y ago

I really don’t buy that last paragraph. It’s the idea the AI Pin founders keep saying - you don’t want apps, the device chooses it for you, etc. In a world where you have economical choice, that’s quite hard to imagine: would there be no competition? What good is it for you if you can’t even choose what music app you want? Without _something_ like an app, how do you even know what you can interact with?

mrtksn 3y ago
> Without _something_ like an app, how do you even know what you can interact with? You just tell what you need or want and the AI will suggest you options. >What good is it for you if you can’t even choose what music app you want? You don't want a music app, you want to listen to music. The AI will simply play it to you and any additional features that you might like will be available. Feel like doing karaoke? Just tell to the AI. Want more songs like this? Tell it to the AI. Not sure what you want? Tell the AI that you are not sure and ask for suggestions, maybe vaguely describe how you feel. You get the idea. > would there be no competition? There would, but not in the current sense. Maybe there would be experience designers and knowledge brokers. The AI might tell you that you will need a weather info subscription if you need something specific that is not provided by your current subscriptions. Maybe you want some specific recipe from a home lighting style from a designer? The AI can help you purchase and apply that. Maybe you want to try dating? It wouldn't be an app but a subscription you can join and the AI will handle the UX. However, I think there will be games because games are apps whose value comes from interaction with the app itself.
- herval 3y ago
  I absolutely 100% want youtube music because it has the music I want and I have my playlists there. That entire argument of “you don’t want X” is misguided. Maybe for someone whose first computer ever is that AI panopticon, then sure. But will all music be free? What about netflix? Will it also be free? What happens to competition? Or choice of brands?
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Music will still be like Spotify IMHO, you will pay a monthly subscription. There wouldn't be an app, like everything else.
    - herval 3y ago
      How about something like photoshop? Or a text editor for when I want to write a book?
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        These are already under threat, people are editing images using text for a year now - no tools needed, you can describe what you want or tap on an area of the image and describe what changes you want. These days they started doing videos too.
        herval 3y ago
        They’re still apps, and nobody that does anything minimally professional uses “no tools” (in fact it’s quite the opposite, AI added a mindnumbing number of tools to the toolset). I really don’t see how these will just “disappear” and become some amorphous “talk to the computer” interface
        mrtksn 3y ago
        It's not on professional level yet, but it was barely O.K. a few months ago. It's moving very fast. The gist is, if something is learnable by practice the AI can do it because by training these machines we actually teach them patterns and methods. Any "blue collar" job like editing images is going away.
- herval 3y ago
  > Maybe you want to try dating? It wouldn't be an app but a subscription you can join and the AI will handle the UX. A subscription to.. an app?
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    To a service. No more apps anymore, the app is the AI who can mediate as a UI to anything.
    - herval 3y ago
      That sounds… exhausting?
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        Why?
        herval 3y ago
        Talking is waaaaay more time consuming than tapping or typing, having to memorize what I’m able to do on my device instead of just taking a glance at its screen is a lot of cognitive overload, not having any shared UI with others is a recipe for eternal confusion… I really don’t see any clear advantages of having a one-fits all shapeless interface that’s driven by prompts (verbal or not). Doesn’t feel like a UX that makes sense to me, and I haven’t heard a case where it does yet tbh (I do think the “personal assistant” makes sense, and might replace some stuff, but don’t see how it’d become the next interface for everything)
        mrtksn 3y ago
        There's no reason why AI app wouldn't be able to interact with you through the most suitable UI. For example, when playing music can show you the basic buttons but also let you type or speak for more advanced stuff like "let's do karaoke" or "why don't we go through move soundtracks by showing me iconic scenes from each movie while playing the songs".

by herval 3y ago

mrtksn 3y ago

> Without _something_ like an app, how do you even know what you can interact with? You just tell what you need or want and the AI will suggest you options. >What good is it for you if you can’t even choose what music app you want? You don't want a music app, you want to listen to music. The AI will simply play it to you and any additional features that you might like will be available. Feel like doing karaoke? Just tell to the AI. Want more songs like this? Tell it to the AI. Not sure what you want? Tell the AI that you are not sure and ask for suggestions, maybe vaguely describe how you feel. You get the idea. > would there be no competition? There would, but not in the current sense. Maybe there would be experience designers and knowledge brokers. The AI might tell you that you will need a weather info subscription if you need something specific that is not provided by your current subscriptions. Maybe you want some specific recipe from a home lighting style from a designer? The AI can help you purchase and apply that. Maybe you want to try dating? It wouldn't be an app but a subscription you can join and the AI will handle the UX. However, I think there will be games because games are apps whose value comes from interaction with the app itself.

herval 3y ago
I absolutely 100% want youtube music because it has the music I want and I have my playlists there. That entire argument of “you don’t want X” is misguided. Maybe for someone whose first computer ever is that AI panopticon, then sure. But will all music be free? What about netflix? Will it also be free? What happens to competition? Or choice of brands?
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Music will still be like Spotify IMHO, you will pay a monthly subscription. There wouldn't be an app, like everything else.
  - herval 3y ago
    How about something like photoshop? Or a text editor for when I want to write a book?
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      These are already under threat, people are editing images using text for a year now - no tools needed, you can describe what you want or tap on an area of the image and describe what changes you want. These days they started doing videos too.
      - herval 3y ago
        They’re still apps, and nobody that does anything minimally professional uses “no tools” (in fact it’s quite the opposite, AI added a mindnumbing number of tools to the toolset). I really don’t see how these will just “disappear” and become some amorphous “talk to the computer” interface
        mrtksn 3y ago
        It's not on professional level yet, but it was barely O.K. a few months ago. It's moving very fast. The gist is, if something is learnable by practice the AI can do it because by training these machines we actually teach them patterns and methods. Any "blue collar" job like editing images is going away.
herval 3y ago
> Maybe you want to try dating? It wouldn't be an app but a subscription you can join and the AI will handle the UX. A subscription to.. an app?
- mrtksn 3y ago
  To a service. No more apps anymore, the app is the AI who can mediate as a UI to anything.
  - herval 3y ago
    That sounds… exhausting?
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      Why?
      - herval 3y ago
        Talking is waaaaay more time consuming than tapping or typing, having to memorize what I’m able to do on my device instead of just taking a glance at its screen is a lot of cognitive overload, not having any shared UI with others is a recipe for eternal confusion… I really don’t see any clear advantages of having a one-fits all shapeless interface that’s driven by prompts (verbal or not). Doesn’t feel like a UX that makes sense to me, and I haven’t heard a case where it does yet tbh (I do think the “personal assistant” makes sense, and might replace some stuff, but don’t see how it’d become the next interface for everything)
        mrtksn 3y ago
        There's no reason why AI app wouldn't be able to interact with you through the most suitable UI. For example, when playing music can show you the basic buttons but also let you type or speak for more advanced stuff like "let's do karaoke" or "why don't we go through move soundtracks by showing me iconic scenes from each movie while playing the songs".