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Homelessness reaches highest reported level in the U.S. in 2023

79 points by safaa1993 3y ago

chiefalchemist 3y ago
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- nullserver 3y ago
  The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
  - hezralig 3y ago
    Or there is a K-shaped recovery in the economy.
    - chiefalchemist 3y ago
      There might be. The point is, that's not the narrative we're being force fed. In the past couple of weeks I've heard multiple news media segments where some talking head is interviewing some "expert" and asking the same question, "Why isn't the public believing the economic news?" Yet neither of them considered: let's ask the public, we can do that. So here's news on why, and there's a couple disconnect at the top from the middle and the bottom. Yeah, nothing new...until there's an election and the exploited vote to show their frustration. It doesn't - and shouldn't - have to be this way.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  The economy and the economic plight of the bottom x% of society are not the same thing. Nor is every single case of homelessness necessarily related to the economy.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > The economy and the economic plight of the bottom x% of society are not the same thing. It used to be the job of the left to argue the opposite. In my best sarcastic Tucker Carlson voice: "you judge a society by its worst off"
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - eropple 3y ago
      If you want to solve a problem, you have to describe it accurately first. "The economy is very strong" and "the bottom X% of society are having a bad time of it" are both statements that can be true at the same time. Further, if the first isn't true, the solution set for the second is differently constrained. And as near as I can tell the bottommost segment of the American populace is, in material and numerical terms, generally seeing a more positive rate-of-change than pre-COVID; lower-end wages are increasing faster than they have in most of my lifetime and are significantly outpacing the inflation that got everybody hairshirting last year. The thing that the doomer set doesn't love to acknowledge is that so much of that dooming is sourced from precarious tech workers or members of/aspirational members of the media, who are getting hammered (in other words, the economic recovery seems K-shaped) and are in turn using their outsized megaphones to convince everybody else that it's a universal problem.
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        > "The economy is very strong" and "the bottom X% of society are having a bad time of it" are both statements that can be true at the same time Not to a liberal (or even Adam Smith). The purpose of a economy is it benefits the people, that's why the people allow "the economy" to exist in the first place, if the common people aren't benefiting the economy isn't doing it's job and therefore cannot be "strong". It's only strong if you think the economy exists to serve mainly the professional managerial class as well as the elites and perhaps the claims of strength reveal the true thoughts of the speaker.
- mnd999 3y ago
  There isn’t really a left in the US. You have right and righter.
  - NickC25 3y ago
    And there's a lack of an actual left in the media. No idea why people keep parroting that the media is leftist. It's not. Big media has a very blatant pro-corporate bias, and they're quite proud of that. The semantics and bullshit around "social issues" like abortion or LGBT rights is just that - semantics and bullshit intentionally amplified to keep people focused on the wrong thing. There are two nearly identical sides, as you rightly point out. Just like political parties, where there's the pro-corporate party that's OK with minorities, and the super-pro-corporate party with a little religion mixed in. The media very much follows that same blueprint.
    - sojournerc 3y ago
      They are there, just not mainstream. Democracy Now comes to mind
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    Fair enough, but since I don't consume much of the righter, I didn't want to speak to that.
  - refurb 3y ago
    Is this a left wing version of No True Scotsman? Politics is relative. The US has a right and a left wing.
    - Podgajski 3y ago
      In name only. They both corporate parties. This gentleman explains it well. https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/18jbd11/this_is_america/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/18jbd11/this_...
- deleted 3y ago
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mountainriver 3y ago
This stat should probably be per population size, but regardless it’s a clear indicator that the economy isn’t as awesome as they say
- liquidpele 3y ago
  Yes it should, and that’s why it’s total BS and not an indication of anything.
- surge 3y ago
  They've literally been changing the measurements of economic indicators to make things seem better than they are.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Examples?
    - JPLeRouzic 3y ago
      I don't have USA examples but as a French citizen, I know that we can have an increase in GDP thanks to an increase in state (+SS) spending which is itself enabled by a higher debt each year. We've been doing this in France for decades, but in recent years it was done by French politicians on an extraordinary scale while they claimed to an international audience that they bring more rigor in spending. I think you did the same on a bigger scale.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > we can have an increase in GDP thanks to an increase in state (+SS) spending This is juicing the metrics. Not changing the metrics. Juicing is real. Changing is mostly a conspiracy among the uneducated, at least in America.
        surge 3y ago
        Juicing vs changing is just spin. Edit: Since I can't reply, if your measure doesn't account for unsustainable practices, then its not really a measure, or you're intentionally "changing" the measure to leave out accounting for unsustainable practices. Measuring growth in a fund when its all just a ponzi scheme isn't how we measure fund performance on a report. If this is done, its either intentional or incompetent. Either, is very bad when dictating policy.
jt2190 3y ago
“2023 Annual Homelessness Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress, Part 1” https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2023-AHAR-Part-1.pdf https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2023-... Overview of the AHAR reports, including data: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/ahar.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/ahar.html
CubsFan1060 3y ago
Having done volunteer work with the homeless (and helping with these counts in years past), I think the broad term of "homeless" isn't all that useful. I encountered so many different types of folks. Some were people down on their luck that needed help. Some had mental problems that (I'm guessing) can never really be fixed. Some had addictions. Some simply enjoyed being homeless. I think addressing the problem would need to address varying underlying causes. For instance, "just give them jobs" will work for some of these folks, but not for a lot of them.
- 542458 3y ago
  I think there’s also a gradient to “not having a home” here that isn’t discussed. Does “homeless” describe somebody who is illegally squatting? Somebody who has lost their home and is crashing on friends couches? Youth who have a home but do not want to return to it? Somebody who stays in a shelter every night? The group I work with uses “underhoused” as the term, which I think better describes the situation.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - ben_w 3y ago
    IIRC, the terms in the UK are "homeless" if you have no fixed abode and "sleeping rough" if you have no access to permanent shelter. If you're limited to couch surfing, that's the first but not the second.
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    Homelessness is well-defined by HUD and the definition has been the same for decades. The report discussed here almost certainly missed numerous homeless people because it is based on the point-in-time count, where local agencies go out in the field for one day and try to find homeless people, which overlooks some classes of homeless.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Some people need a hand to get back on their feet. Some people need a small, safe space just for them and their stuff (voluntary homelessness, broadly speaking; tiny homes or more dense concepts in urban areas work here), some people need to be committed (I know some folks like this both in a clinical setting, as well as a working farm in New England operated just for this need). These statements are the easy part, the hardest part is implementation. Affordable housing is of course key to broad housing security for those of sound mind and economics who desire to be housed.
2devnull 3y ago
“This year's "counts reflect a considerable lessening of the impact the COVID-19 pandemic on shelter use," the department's report said. Pandemic-era social safety net programs expired throughout the year, such as income protections and eviction moratoria.” Pretty terrible reporting tbh. The above seems to be the executive summary. Also worth noting it’s the highest count since 2007, which is interesting on its own. Why was 2007 so high?
- rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
  Probably people abandoning/evicted from their $0-down-mortgage/ balloon payment/ predatory lending houses leading up to to the 2008 financial crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/banks-writedowns-losses-idCNL554155620091105/?rpc=44 https://www.reuters.com/article/banks-writedowns-losses-idCN...
  - 2devnull 3y ago
    In January of 2007? The crisis hit a bit later, if you’re thinking about foreclosures. Housing prices were still up, and the housing market was tight. It may suggest that homeless is driven by real estate speculation. In other words hot economies cause homelessness to increase, not the converse.
    - rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
      Maybe I am misunderstanding it but I read that the survey here was taken in January 2023, and 2007 was compared to "when reporting began," which isn't specified where within 2007.
      - 2devnull 3y ago
        I assumed the 2007 year would be the same “1 night in January” method. But it occurs to me, reading your comment that maybe they didn’t mean 2007 was the second highest count, just that the collection only goes back to 2007. Again, terrible journalism.
UrineSqueegee 3y ago
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the_absurdist 3y ago
In the US we must stop referring to drug addicts as "homeless" when they have been turned away from public or temporary housing because they have elected to do drugs instead. It's obvious that this creates a misleading perception among the public about the causes of people living outside the social norm of paying for the right to stay in a private space. The danger of that is that when unchecked, the public votes and government acts based on this misconception. That converts to public policy which aims to solve the wrong problem at the cost of the wrong people.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  The state with the most drug addicts also has the least homelessness. The two problems are largely not related.
  - oh_sigh 3y ago
    One weird trick to solve homelessness: make the environment so unforgiving that any homeless people sleeping rough will die.
- lpapez 3y ago
  > they have elected to do drugs instead It does not work like that. You don't elect addiction, it is not a choice. Quitting is also not easy. Try to have some empathy for people instead of judging their situation, you don't know what led to it.
- turquoisevar 3y ago
  Ah yes, the “you’re measuring it wrong” solution of things. If we don’t look for it then it doesn’t exist. At least the username checks out.
wslh 3y ago
There should be an "Apollo 11" project for this. I used to travel around the world and cannot believe that US couldn't solve or is blind about this problem. It shocks me to be in the "country of technology dreams" while I look at the state of many people there. Only think in tech-noir movies.
- JKCalhoun 3y ago
  Japan too has a homeless problem they seem to ignore. I am not sure if it has gotten worse since I was last in Tokyo some 7 or 8 years ago.
  - wslh 3y ago
    Homelessness is not unique to US for sure, but US is the dominant global power and that makes it more difficult to digest.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Has there been any society in the history of civilization that solved homelessness?
  - wslh 3y ago
    Has there been any society in the history of civilization that sends people to walk in the moon?
    - oh_sigh 3y ago
      Yes - America. Maybe that is an easier problem to solve since we did that, and we still have homeless people. Actually, homelessness is easy to solve, but requires distasteful actions by the government, like involuntary commitment.
      - hotpotamus 3y ago
        I’ve been involuntarily committed - my insurance covered a lot of it, but I’m guessing homeless peoples’ health insurance isn’t so good.
Podgajski 3y ago
“But the economy is doing great!!!” Let me tell you, the economy isn’t doing great for people like me. I’m permanently disabled and lost my housing at the beginning of Covid, and I haven’t been able to acquire housing since. For the last three years I’ve been living in a 2001 minivan. Now I’m seeing costs everything go up and the COKA adjustment for Social Security isn’t quite doing it. Mark my words, were going to have a different party running the country next year. The Democrats have failed people like me, the people that used to be their base, and instead favored the corporate class who allowed the financial capitalist to buy up All the homes so they can rent them at outrageous prices.
- cddotdotslash 3y ago
  Genuinely curious: what kinds of policies do you see the alternate party implementing that you feel would help you?
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    https://oecdecoscope.blog/2021/12/13/finlands-zero-homeless-strategy-lessons-from-a-success-story/amp/ https://oecdecoscope.blog/2021/12/13/finlands-zero-homeless-... Reading that article would be a start. They could also expand section 8 housing. They could also get rid of the countless nonprofits that siphon money away from the homeless. They could tie Social Security cola adjustments more towards housing and rental prices. They Institute Medicare for all. They could ban the emptying of large amounts of houses by financial capital firms. Which they are already doing sort of. They could end Airbnb. They could ban making it illegal to sleep in a car or sleep on the street. Or they can just really care. I could go on, but again this is not a problem of not having the money, I mean we’re supporting two useless wars right now. This is a problem of people not caring or caring for the wrong things.
    - socrates137 3y ago
      These policies are antithetical to everything the current GOP stands for. Voting for them will not address your issues. Just about everything you’ve said is considered opinions of “the left”. So, pushing the Democratic Party more to the left seems like the logical choice.
virtuous_sloth 3y ago
Americans think they are free when they are actually prisoners of a mind worm.
cs702 3y ago
Very sad, and evidently very hard to solve within existing societal constraints. A few days ago there was a recent story shared on HN describing a perfect example of why it's become so difficult to solve this horrible problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38627492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38627492
mbfg 3y ago
One's ability to feel superior to people less fortunate than you is a very ingrained psychological factor in a capitalist society. America isn't going to change, unfortunately.
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79 points by safaa1993 3y ago

chiefalchemist 3y ago

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nullserver 3y ago
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
- hezralig 3y ago
  Or there is a K-shaped recovery in the economy.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    There might be. The point is, that's not the narrative we're being force fed. In the past couple of weeks I've heard multiple news media segments where some talking head is interviewing some "expert" and asking the same question, "Why isn't the public believing the economic news?" Yet neither of them considered: let's ask the public, we can do that. So here's news on why, and there's a couple disconnect at the top from the middle and the bottom. Yeah, nothing new...until there's an election and the exploited vote to show their frustration. It doesn't - and shouldn't - have to be this way.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
The economy and the economic plight of the bottom x% of society are not the same thing. Nor is every single case of homelessness necessarily related to the economy.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > The economy and the economic plight of the bottom x% of society are not the same thing. It used to be the job of the left to argue the opposite. In my best sarcastic Tucker Carlson voice: "you judge a society by its worst off"
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - eropple 3y ago
    If you want to solve a problem, you have to describe it accurately first. "The economy is very strong" and "the bottom X% of society are having a bad time of it" are both statements that can be true at the same time. Further, if the first isn't true, the solution set for the second is differently constrained. And as near as I can tell the bottommost segment of the American populace is, in material and numerical terms, generally seeing a more positive rate-of-change than pre-COVID; lower-end wages are increasing faster than they have in most of my lifetime and are significantly outpacing the inflation that got everybody hairshirting last year. The thing that the doomer set doesn't love to acknowledge is that so much of that dooming is sourced from precarious tech workers or members of/aspirational members of the media, who are getting hammered (in other words, the economic recovery seems K-shaped) and are in turn using their outsized megaphones to convince everybody else that it's a universal problem.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > "The economy is very strong" and "the bottom X% of society are having a bad time of it" are both statements that can be true at the same time Not to a liberal (or even Adam Smith). The purpose of a economy is it benefits the people, that's why the people allow "the economy" to exist in the first place, if the common people aren't benefiting the economy isn't doing it's job and therefore cannot be "strong". It's only strong if you think the economy exists to serve mainly the professional managerial class as well as the elites and perhaps the claims of strength reveal the true thoughts of the speaker.
mnd999 3y ago
There isn’t really a left in the US. You have right and righter.
- NickC25 3y ago
  And there's a lack of an actual left in the media. No idea why people keep parroting that the media is leftist. It's not. Big media has a very blatant pro-corporate bias, and they're quite proud of that. The semantics and bullshit around "social issues" like abortion or LGBT rights is just that - semantics and bullshit intentionally amplified to keep people focused on the wrong thing. There are two nearly identical sides, as you rightly point out. Just like political parties, where there's the pro-corporate party that's OK with minorities, and the super-pro-corporate party with a little religion mixed in. The media very much follows that same blueprint.
  - sojournerc 3y ago
    They are there, just not mainstream. Democracy Now comes to mind
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  Fair enough, but since I don't consume much of the righter, I didn't want to speak to that.
- refurb 3y ago
  Is this a left wing version of No True Scotsman? Politics is relative. The US has a right and a left wing.
  - Podgajski 3y ago
    In name only. They both corporate parties. This gentleman explains it well. https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/18jbd11/this_is_america/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/18jbd11/this_...
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mountainriver 3y ago

This stat should probably be per population size, but regardless it’s a clear indicator that the economy isn’t as awesome as they say

liquidpele 3y ago
Yes it should, and that’s why it’s total BS and not an indication of anything.
surge 3y ago
They've literally been changing the measurements of economic indicators to make things seem better than they are.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Examples?
  - JPLeRouzic 3y ago
    I don't have USA examples but as a French citizen, I know that we can have an increase in GDP thanks to an increase in state (+SS) spending which is itself enabled by a higher debt each year. We've been doing this in France for decades, but in recent years it was done by French politicians on an extraordinary scale while they claimed to an international audience that they bring more rigor in spending. I think you did the same on a bigger scale.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > we can have an increase in GDP thanks to an increase in state (+SS) spending This is juicing the metrics. Not changing the metrics. Juicing is real. Changing is mostly a conspiracy among the uneducated, at least in America.
      - surge 3y ago
        Juicing vs changing is just spin. Edit: Since I can't reply, if your measure doesn't account for unsustainable practices, then its not really a measure, or you're intentionally "changing" the measure to leave out accounting for unsustainable practices. Measuring growth in a fund when its all just a ponzi scheme isn't how we measure fund performance on a report. If this is done, its either intentional or incompetent. Either, is very bad when dictating policy.

jt2190 3y ago

“2023 Annual Homelessness Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress, Part 1” https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2023-AHAR-Part-1.pdf https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2023-... Overview of the AHAR reports, including data: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/ahar.html https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/ahar.html

CubsFan1060 3y ago

Having done volunteer work with the homeless (and helping with these counts in years past), I think the broad term of "homeless" isn't all that useful. I encountered so many different types of folks. Some were people down on their luck that needed help. Some had mental problems that (I'm guessing) can never really be fixed. Some had addictions. Some simply enjoyed being homeless. I think addressing the problem would need to address varying underlying causes. For instance, "just give them jobs" will work for some of these folks, but not for a lot of them.

542458 3y ago
I think there’s also a gradient to “not having a home” here that isn’t discussed. Does “homeless” describe somebody who is illegally squatting? Somebody who has lost their home and is crashing on friends couches? Youth who have a home but do not want to return to it? Somebody who stays in a shelter every night? The group I work with uses “underhoused” as the term, which I think better describes the situation.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- ben_w 3y ago
  IIRC, the terms in the UK are "homeless" if you have no fixed abode and "sleeping rough" if you have no access to permanent shelter. If you're limited to couch surfing, that's the first but not the second.
- jeffbee 3y ago
  Homelessness is well-defined by HUD and the definition has been the same for decades. The report discussed here almost certainly missed numerous homeless people because it is based on the point-in-time count, where local agencies go out in the field for one day and try to find homeless people, which overlooks some classes of homeless.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
Some people need a hand to get back on their feet. Some people need a small, safe space just for them and their stuff (voluntary homelessness, broadly speaking; tiny homes or more dense concepts in urban areas work here), some people need to be committed (I know some folks like this both in a clinical setting, as well as a working farm in New England operated just for this need). These statements are the easy part, the hardest part is implementation. Affordable housing is of course key to broad housing security for those of sound mind and economics who desire to be housed.

2devnull 3y ago

“This year's "counts reflect a considerable lessening of the impact the COVID-19 pandemic on shelter use," the department's report said. Pandemic-era social safety net programs expired throughout the year, such as income protections and eviction moratoria.” Pretty terrible reporting tbh. The above seems to be the executive summary. Also worth noting it’s the highest count since 2007, which is interesting on its own. Why was 2007 so high?

rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
Probably people abandoning/evicted from their $0-down-mortgage/ balloon payment/ predatory lending houses leading up to to the 2008 financial crisis. https://www.reuters.com/article/banks-writedowns-losses-idCNL554155620091105/?rpc=44 https://www.reuters.com/article/banks-writedowns-losses-idCN...
- 2devnull 3y ago
  In January of 2007? The crisis hit a bit later, if you’re thinking about foreclosures. Housing prices were still up, and the housing market was tight. It may suggest that homeless is driven by real estate speculation. In other words hot economies cause homelessness to increase, not the converse.
  - rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
    Maybe I am misunderstanding it but I read that the survey here was taken in January 2023, and 2007 was compared to "when reporting began," which isn't specified where within 2007.
    - 2devnull 3y ago
      I assumed the 2007 year would be the same “1 night in January” method. But it occurs to me, reading your comment that maybe they didn’t mean 2007 was the second highest count, just that the collection only goes back to 2007. Again, terrible journalism.

UrineSqueegee 3y ago

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the_absurdist 3y ago

In the US we must stop referring to drug addicts as "homeless" when they have been turned away from public or temporary housing because they have elected to do drugs instead. It's obvious that this creates a misleading perception among the public about the causes of people living outside the social norm of paying for the right to stay in a private space. The danger of that is that when unchecked, the public votes and government acts based on this misconception. That converts to public policy which aims to solve the wrong problem at the cost of the wrong people.

jeffbee 3y ago
The state with the most drug addicts also has the least homelessness. The two problems are largely not related.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  One weird trick to solve homelessness: make the environment so unforgiving that any homeless people sleeping rough will die.
lpapez 3y ago
> they have elected to do drugs instead It does not work like that. You don't elect addiction, it is not a choice. Quitting is also not easy. Try to have some empathy for people instead of judging their situation, you don't know what led to it.
turquoisevar 3y ago
Ah yes, the “you’re measuring it wrong” solution of things. If we don’t look for it then it doesn’t exist. At least the username checks out.

wslh 3y ago

There should be an "Apollo 11" project for this. I used to travel around the world and cannot believe that US couldn't solve or is blind about this problem. It shocks me to be in the "country of technology dreams" while I look at the state of many people there. Only think in tech-noir movies.

JKCalhoun 3y ago
Japan too has a homeless problem they seem to ignore. I am not sure if it has gotten worse since I was last in Tokyo some 7 or 8 years ago.
- wslh 3y ago
  Homelessness is not unique to US for sure, but US is the dominant global power and that makes it more difficult to digest.
oh_sigh 3y ago
Has there been any society in the history of civilization that solved homelessness?
- wslh 3y ago
  Has there been any society in the history of civilization that sends people to walk in the moon?
  - oh_sigh 3y ago
    Yes - America. Maybe that is an easier problem to solve since we did that, and we still have homeless people. Actually, homelessness is easy to solve, but requires distasteful actions by the government, like involuntary commitment.
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      I’ve been involuntarily committed - my insurance covered a lot of it, but I’m guessing homeless peoples’ health insurance isn’t so good.

Podgajski 3y ago

“But the economy is doing great!!!” Let me tell you, the economy isn’t doing great for people like me. I’m permanently disabled and lost my housing at the beginning of Covid, and I haven’t been able to acquire housing since. For the last three years I’ve been living in a 2001 minivan. Now I’m seeing costs everything go up and the COKA adjustment for Social Security isn’t quite doing it. Mark my words, were going to have a different party running the country next year. The Democrats have failed people like me, the people that used to be their base, and instead favored the corporate class who allowed the financial capitalist to buy up All the homes so they can rent them at outrageous prices.

cddotdotslash 3y ago
Genuinely curious: what kinds of policies do you see the alternate party implementing that you feel would help you?
- Podgajski 3y ago
  https://oecdecoscope.blog/2021/12/13/finlands-zero-homeless-strategy-lessons-from-a-success-story/amp/ https://oecdecoscope.blog/2021/12/13/finlands-zero-homeless-... Reading that article would be a start. They could also expand section 8 housing. They could also get rid of the countless nonprofits that siphon money away from the homeless. They could tie Social Security cola adjustments more towards housing and rental prices. They Institute Medicare for all. They could ban the emptying of large amounts of houses by financial capital firms. Which they are already doing sort of. They could end Airbnb. They could ban making it illegal to sleep in a car or sleep on the street. Or they can just really care. I could go on, but again this is not a problem of not having the money, I mean we’re supporting two useless wars right now. This is a problem of people not caring or caring for the wrong things.
  - socrates137 3y ago
    These policies are antithetical to everything the current GOP stands for. Voting for them will not address your issues. Just about everything you’ve said is considered opinions of “the left”. So, pushing the Democratic Party more to the left seems like the logical choice.

virtuous_sloth 3y ago

Americans think they are free when they are actually prisoners of a mind worm.

cs702 3y ago

Very sad, and evidently very hard to solve within existing societal constraints. A few days ago there was a recent story shared on HN describing a perfect example of why it's become so difficult to solve this horrible problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38627492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38627492

mbfg 3y ago

One's ability to feel superior to people less fortunate than you is a very ingrained psychological factor in a capitalist society. America isn't going to change, unfortunately.

brettangel698 3y ago

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