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It is not only this. For me it is public greenwashing, that 'modern is always better' fallacy, subsidies (follow the money!), environmental impact of battery co

It is not only this. For me it is public greenwashing, that 'modern is always better' fallacy, subsidies (follow the money!), environmental impact of battery components, daily and seasonal inconveniences, even more SW instead of easily repairable mechanical parts, being forced by a vocal minority tru tax, social, and other penalties, etc. etc. Offer me an Hyuandai N74 and we'll talk.

Dalewyn 3y ago
As an aside since we're apparently bringing out the woodworks here, why is it that nearly all electric vehicles look like crap? Seriously, their designs are nearly all terrible compared to gas/diesel cars.
- bombcar 3y ago
  I suspect it was started by the Toyota Pius which was designed to look different so everyone would know how good you were. But Teslas look like cars to me, so I think the era of “it’s electric so it has to look weird” is at its end.
- hightrix 3y ago
  This is one of my biggest complaints. Many EVs look like they are EVs. I want an EV that looks like a car.
  - dieselgate 3y ago
    The e-golf is certainly the most modest EV i've seen around
    - jeffrallen 3y ago
      Renault Zoes look like regular cars too.
- fwungy 3y ago
  They need to incorporate a large, heavy battery that needs to sit at the bottom of the vehicle for stability. That means a large footprint to keep a low roofline, or a high roofline for a smaller footprint. All EVs must work battery and range into their aesthetics, and it's a design imposition. The Tesla Roadster looked good, but it was a based on a Lotus ICE and traded interior space for aesthetics, as well as limited range: too impractical for most. The Prius looks dull because it's tuned for ultimate efficiency while also paying a small roofline/footprint penalty for its battery in aesthetics. It would be interesting to see what a max efficiency ICE Prius would be like. I bet it could do high 30's mpg, maybe even 40, would look better, and be substantially cheaper.
graemep 3y ago
New ICE cars increasingly have the same reliance on software. The lifetime of all cars will be capped by software support - particularly as they become more network connected.

Dalewyn 3y ago

As an aside since we're apparently bringing out the woodworks here, why is it that nearly all electric vehicles look like crap? Seriously, their designs are nearly all terrible compared to gas/diesel cars.

bombcar 3y ago
I suspect it was started by the Toyota Pius which was designed to look different so everyone would know how good you were. But Teslas look like cars to me, so I think the era of “it’s electric so it has to look weird” is at its end.
hightrix 3y ago
This is one of my biggest complaints. Many EVs look like they are EVs. I want an EV that looks like a car.
- dieselgate 3y ago
  The e-golf is certainly the most modest EV i've seen around
  - jeffrallen 3y ago
    Renault Zoes look like regular cars too.
fwungy 3y ago
They need to incorporate a large, heavy battery that needs to sit at the bottom of the vehicle for stability. That means a large footprint to keep a low roofline, or a high roofline for a smaller footprint. All EVs must work battery and range into their aesthetics, and it's a design imposition. The Tesla Roadster looked good, but it was a based on a Lotus ICE and traded interior space for aesthetics, as well as limited range: too impractical for most. The Prius looks dull because it's tuned for ultimate efficiency while also paying a small roofline/footprint penalty for its battery in aesthetics. It would be interesting to see what a max efficiency ICE Prius would be like. I bet it could do high 30's mpg, maybe even 40, would look better, and be substantially cheaper.

graemep 3y ago

New ICE cars increasingly have the same reliance on software. The lifetime of all cars will be capped by software support - particularly as they become more network connected.