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Google does the same. It wants the pages that it indexes to be original; if a page just copy pastes another page's content, its score is affected negatively or

Google does the same. It wants the pages that it indexes to be original; if a page just copy pastes another page's content, its score is affected negatively or even de-indexed, they call it spam. Google itself on the other hand does just this, for example Wikipedia text and lyrics are taken from other pages and copy pasted onto Google's page. Try telling a "googler" this and theyll go "noooo but for Google it's different because Google has determined that's optimal and good for user experience". It's difficult to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it.

wodenokoto 3y ago
I generally don't get many results pointing to google search results, so I guess google search ranks pretty low.
- fho 3y ago
  It's about those "information blocks" next to the search results that are often copied verbatim from Wikipedia or Stack Overflow
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
These may have been more valid criticisms in the past, but today, Google does indeed pay for both Wikipedia content and song lyric licensing: https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/22/23178245/google-paying-wikimedia-foundation-information https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/22/23178245/google-paying-wi... https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18684211/google-song-lyrics-dispute-genius-media-lyricfind-search-results https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18684211/google-song-lyri...
- kdwikzncba 3y ago
  So? I didn't say they don't pay. What I said is if I copy paste things into my page, Google will kill it because it's spam. If I say "but what I'm actually paying for this content"... That's irrelevant. I'm not saying that Google is stealing content, I'm saying they're hypocritical is applying and argument when the conclusions benefit them, but not otherwise.
vineyardmike 3y ago
> Try telling a "googler" this and theyll go "noooo but for Google it's different because Google has determined that's optimal and good for user experience". It's difficult to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it. In my experience googlers are very capable of saying “Google is bad but my salary is good”. Plenty of people understand things that are contrary to their paycheck. That said, Google generally respects Wikipedia’s and others license to the data. And it is generally in the users best interest to get to desired content/information in less steps, regardless of the data’s provenance.

wodenokoto 3y ago

I generally don't get many results pointing to google search results, so I guess google search ranks pretty low.

fho 3y ago
It's about those "information blocks" next to the search results that are often copied verbatim from Wikipedia or Stack Overflow

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago

These may have been more valid criticisms in the past, but today, Google does indeed pay for both Wikipedia content and song lyric licensing: https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/22/23178245/google-paying-wikimedia-foundation-information https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/22/23178245/google-paying-wi... https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18684211/google-song-lyrics-dispute-genius-media-lyricfind-search-results https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/18/18684211/google-song-lyri...

kdwikzncba 3y ago
So? I didn't say they don't pay. What I said is if I copy paste things into my page, Google will kill it because it's spam. If I say "but what I'm actually paying for this content"... That's irrelevant. I'm not saying that Google is stealing content, I'm saying they're hypocritical is applying and argument when the conclusions benefit them, but not otherwise.

vineyardmike 3y ago

> Try telling a "googler" this and theyll go "noooo but for Google it's different because Google has determined that's optimal and good for user experience". It's difficult to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding it. In my experience googlers are very capable of saying “Google is bad but my salary is good”. Plenty of people understand things that are contrary to their paycheck. That said, Google generally respects Wikipedia’s and others license to the data. And it is generally in the users best interest to get to desired content/information in less steps, regardless of the data’s provenance.