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A lot of organisations were already doing “cloud” before the big migrations to AWS and Azure started in the EU enterprise scene. Around the 2010 it became a muc
by devjab 3y ago
A lot of organisations were already doing “cloud” before the big migrations to AWS and Azure started in the EU enterprise scene. Around the 2010 it became a much better business case to get into the local cloud, which is basically where we bought our own hardware and put it in rented rack space at local businesses which were specialised in running it, instead of having it in our own basements. This mostly didn’t scale beyond the national, or even regional, level but then that is still not a big issue for most organisations today.
Then came the move to AWS and Azure, again because the business case made sense. A big part of this was Microsoft being good at selling their products in a bundle, so that getting into Azure sort of just made sense because of how well the IT-operations side benefitted from moving into things like Azure AD (now Entra ID for whatever reason), Azure Automation instead of scheduled tasks and so on. If your IT-operations infrastructure is already largely in Azure then your development will also be in Azure because it’s going to be such a tiny blip on your Azure bill that nobody will ever notice.
With the price hikes, and also just how complicated it is to actually run and maintain IT-Operations in Azure (I can’t speak for AWS) we’re now in a world where more and more organisations here in Denmark are looking to get out of Azure/AWS to reduce cost, and many have already made the move.
Of course no one is leaving Office365, so many of us are mostly just trying to broker better deals with Microsoft.
- Cupprum 3y agoI am curious, which companies in Denmark are trying to get out of cloud?
- Hikikomori 3y agoIs colocation the cloud now?
- dspillett 3y agoYes. And no. Depending on what you mean by "cloud" how much kit you have in colo, and how you manage the resources of that kit. You can certainly use colo to provide the facilities most need from cloud infrastructure. Just stuffing a server in someone's rack isn't cloud, but larger installations are often managed in similar ways.
- mcny 3y agoI'd argue taking on prem applications and putting them in large (expensive) virtual machines on AWS ec2 or azure windows vm directly while postponing or deprioritizing any refactoring is not the cloud either.
- xmcqdpt2 3y agoAt work, there is a push to move on prem applications to cloud but as much as possible without changing any of the code. We end up basically renting expensive instances for significant period of time and recreating all the on prem services on them. So anyway, more like the reverse: cloud is colocation but expensive.
- jwestbury 3y ago> With the price hikes, and also just how complicated it is to actually run and maintain IT-Operations in Azure (I can’t speak for AWS) we’re now in a world where more and more organisations here in Denmark are looking to get out of Azure/AWS to reduce cost, and many have already made the move. It's an endless loop, I think. I've observed a very different behaviour in other parts of the world, where companies which either migrated away from the cloud already, or companies which never moved to the cloud to begin with, are now moving things into the cloud and other managed services in order to better focus on their core competencies. Dropbox, for instance, shifted everything out of AWS in 2014 -- but are now moving a lot of their corporate infra back into AWS in order to focus on effective and efficient storage, which is what they're good at, without having to build everything else themselves. Likewise hedge funds - if you look at job postings for a lot of systematic trading firms (e.g. Jane Street, HRT, 2Sigma, etc.), you'll find loads of them are hiring extensively for people with cloud experience, because there's been a sort of wake-up moment where companies are breaking free of the idea that everyone can be Google, and realising that you can't build everything in-house if you only have 1000 employees. So, interesting to hear of a move in the opposite direction in Denmark. I'm sure that ten years down the line, a new generation of engineers will be coming in and asking, "Why in the world are we managing all of this infrastructure on our own?"