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None of this is "forced." If you are being interrogated by police without a lawyer, its because you are either a) and idiot, or b) not well educated about the

None of this is "forced." If you are being interrogated by police without a lawyer, its because you are either a) and idiot, or b) not well educated about the American legal system (which means you probably received a poor education or you're a migrant). What this decision opens up is different from what you cited: here, we are not dealing with physical compulsion to speak or write or produce any kind of communication, which is severely delimited with the presence of a lawyer (or even the mention of one to the police), we are dealing with police, who've already seized some object which contains personal communication (much like safe), and the legal right to remain silent on the code to unlock it. Now if, for previous physical objects which would contain communications that were locked with a code, there was case precedence where that code was legally demanded by police, and granted by a court, then you might have an argument.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Let me put a finer point on it: It does not matter what the constitution says police are going to do whatever they want no matter what, and case law proves that that’s exactly what they will, and will continue to do You seem to be continuing to operate under the assumption that America works underneath the rule of law universally applied. It doesn’t, it never has. As you so clearly reinforced my original point, the only way that you can actually have those rights apply to you is by either being smart or rich, and most people are neither
kelnos 3y ago
I think you're being overly harsh toward people who might speak to police without realizing the implications. Getting arrested or even detained is a high-stress experience, and judgment and decision-making skills suffer in those types of situations. Beyond that, cops are trained to manipulate people into believing that either a) they are required to talk (despite being read their Miranda rights), or b) that talking actually will work out better for them in the long run than staying silent.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago

Let me put a finer point on it: It does not matter what the constitution says police are going to do whatever they want no matter what, and case law proves that that’s exactly what they will, and will continue to do You seem to be continuing to operate under the assumption that America works underneath the rule of law universally applied. It doesn’t, it never has. As you so clearly reinforced my original point, the only way that you can actually have those rights apply to you is by either being smart or rich, and most people are neither

kelnos 3y ago

I think you're being overly harsh toward people who might speak to police without realizing the implications. Getting arrested or even detained is a high-stress experience, and judgment and decision-making skills suffer in those types of situations. Beyond that, cops are trained to manipulate people into believing that either a) they are required to talk (despite being read their Miranda rights), or b) that talking actually will work out better for them in the long run than staying silent.