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But it is hypocrisy to claim that <activity that you find distasteful but isn't hurting anyone> is 1000% messed up compared to <activity that you enjoyed that w

by feoren 3y ago

But it is hypocrisy to claim that <activity that you find distasteful but isn't hurting anyone> is 1000% messed up compared to <activity that you enjoyed that was largely the product of an abusive industry>. And GP didn't say "there may be negative side effects", he said it was producing mass shooters at scale (he "suspects" it, anyway).

Eumenes 3y ago
this form of "media" def promotes content involving r*pe, children, beastiality, etc. its anti-social to say the least.
- feoren 3y ago
  Some of it depicts absolutely 100% fucked-up, horrific things. So do plenty of action flicks and horror movies. So does lots of rap music and plenty of games, if you play them that way. I don't believe people who love action movies and shoot-em-up games are destined to be mass shooters; I don't believe people who listen to rap music about abusing drugs are destined to become drug addicts; I don't believe people who love horror movies are destined to capture and torture humans in their basements; I don't believe people who enjoy depictions of horrific sexual acts are destined to become sexual abusers. It's certainly an interesting psychology topic about how humans can seem to enjoy depictions of acts they'd never want to perform, experience, or even see in real life. For instance, I have heard that some people who have been victims of sexual assault may enjoy depictions of sexual assault in porn, possibly to help them imagine having more control over a situation that made them feel helpless, or to revisit, in a safe way, an extremely unsafe-feeling part of their psyche. Humans are just too complicated to make blanket assertions like "horror movies produce torturers".
jncfhnb 3y ago
Yes that’s fair. The claim was fucked up I really am not convinced that actively pushing this material on kids doesn’t harm them psychologically
- feoren 3y ago
  "Actively pushing" the material on kids would indeed be a messed up thing to do, and it makes total sense to make it more difficult for kids to "stumble upon", as the 13-year-old stumbled upon pictures of breasts when searching for "art" on Twitch. I simultaneously think that basically nobody is "actively pushing" this stuff on kids. It reminds me of 90s PSAs where drug dealers are handing out heroin on schoolyards, or the idea of a "homosexual agenda" where gay people are "actively pushing" their lifestyle onto kids. It's 99.9% just a thing people do privately; (basically) nobody is forcing it on your kids.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    See the link shared elsewhere on a top level comment on this article

by feoren 3y ago

Eumenes 3y ago

this form of "media" def promotes content involving r*pe, children, beastiality, etc. its anti-social to say the least.

feoren 3y ago
Some of it depicts absolutely 100% fucked-up, horrific things. So do plenty of action flicks and horror movies. So does lots of rap music and plenty of games, if you play them that way. I don't believe people who love action movies and shoot-em-up games are destined to be mass shooters; I don't believe people who listen to rap music about abusing drugs are destined to become drug addicts; I don't believe people who love horror movies are destined to capture and torture humans in their basements; I don't believe people who enjoy depictions of horrific sexual acts are destined to become sexual abusers. It's certainly an interesting psychology topic about how humans can seem to enjoy depictions of acts they'd never want to perform, experience, or even see in real life. For instance, I have heard that some people who have been victims of sexual assault may enjoy depictions of sexual assault in porn, possibly to help them imagine having more control over a situation that made them feel helpless, or to revisit, in a safe way, an extremely unsafe-feeling part of their psyche. Humans are just too complicated to make blanket assertions like "horror movies produce torturers".

jncfhnb 3y ago

Yes that’s fair. The claim was fucked up I really am not convinced that actively pushing this material on kids doesn’t harm them psychologically

feoren 3y ago
"Actively pushing" the material on kids would indeed be a messed up thing to do, and it makes total sense to make it more difficult for kids to "stumble upon", as the 13-year-old stumbled upon pictures of breasts when searching for "art" on Twitch. I simultaneously think that basically nobody is "actively pushing" this stuff on kids. It reminds me of 90s PSAs where drug dealers are handing out heroin on schoolyards, or the idea of a "homosexual agenda" where gay people are "actively pushing" their lifestyle onto kids. It's 99.9% just a thing people do privately; (basically) nobody is forcing it on your kids.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  See the link shared elsewhere on a top level comment on this article