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I really do not like to do this on HN, but you‘re either outright lying or living in a privileged living situation near educated muslims who are already beginni

I really do not like to do this on HN, but you‘re either outright lying or living in a privileged living situation near educated muslims who are already beginning to assimilate. I figure you are living in the US, where stringent immigration laws protect you. Europe is suffering from mass immigration of people with - in our opinion - close to extremist values. A conservative German who dislikes gay people is much less threatening. Gay and trans people are even more of a minority than muslims, and only one party is actively threatening the other. My institution offers protection of ex-muslim women and gay people. Their stories are harrowing. And these people have lived in Germany for generations.

foldr 3y ago
>I figure you are living in the US, where stringent immigration laws protect you. I'm living in the UK. (I thought this was obvious from my post; I'm not sure why you would jump to the conclusion that I'm living in the US.) Homophobia within Muslim communities is certainly a serious problem for gay muslims. However, as I said elsewhere in this thread, you only have to look at the European countries where LGBT rights are actually under serious threat to see that Muslim immigrants are not the primary problem. Orbán agrees with you about Muslims – but how's he doing on gay rights? You are willing to accuse me of lying and to jump to jump to bizarre conclusions about my living circumstances. I won't do you the same discourtesy, but it is always disappointing to see LGBT people using LGBT rights as a smokescreen for xenophobia and other prejudices. This only aids and abets people on the far right who couldn't give two hoots about our rights, but who are only too happy to opportunistically capture the votes of useful idiots within the gay community.

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I really do not like to do this on HN, but you‘re either outright lying or living in a privileged living situation near educated muslims who are already beginni

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foldr 3y ago
>I figure you are living in the US, where stringent immigration laws protect you. I'm living in the UK. (I thought this was obvious from my post; I'm not sure why you would jump to the conclusion that I'm living in the US.) Homophobia within Muslim communities is certainly a serious problem for gay muslims. However, as I said elsewhere in this thread, you only have to look at the European countries where LGBT rights are actually under serious threat to see that Muslim immigrants are not the primary problem. Orbán agrees with you about Muslims – but how's he doing on gay rights? You are willing to accuse me of lying and to jump to jump to bizarre conclusions about my living circumstances. I won't do you the same discourtesy, but it is always disappointing to see LGBT people using LGBT rights as a smokescreen for xenophobia and other prejudices. This only aids and abets people on the far right who couldn't give two hoots about our rights, but who are only too happy to opportunistically capture the votes of useful idiots within the gay community.