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> where the Union negotiated pay/benefits they got was less (before and after union dues) than the surrounding non-union competition. Yeah, that's a common ant

> where the Union negotiated pay/benefits they got was less (before and after union dues) than the surrounding non-union competition. Yeah, that's a common anti-union tactic. Another one is passing on any better terms negotiated with a union to non-union workers to make it look like union membership gains you nothing. Of course, when the union is gone, the largesse tends to end.

pc86 3y ago
How is "I give my negotiating rights away to a union and they did a worse job negotiating than I did" a "common anti-union tactic?" It sounds like just something that happens from time to time.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  That's true, but of course as a member you can pressure/vote for your union to bargain. And at any rate, most of the time union work pays better.
- sneeze-slayer 3y ago
  Typically because the company is more benevolent to non-union workers in this case so to try to incentivize workers to not join or leave the union. If there was no union involved, then the company wouldn't be so benevolent to non-union workers.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  Unions negotiate collective minimums. Individuals frequently manage to negotiate more for themselves, if they have the leverage.
  - mfer 3y ago
    It depends on the Union and where you're at. Some unions negotiate everything from vacation time to pay bands to how raises happen. There are many places where the hardest worker and the laziest worker make the same. There are places where what you make is solely based on how long you've had the job and it's not negotiable. Unions work differently in different places.
mfer 3y ago
It depends. A union that does right by its members means you have leadership who does that. I’ve seen numerous cases where that didn’t happen across several industries. The leadership ended up making bad decisions for the members.
VirusNewbie 3y ago
Why is it that my non union company showers me with incredible benefits and pay, far beyond any union employees? Hmmm... Makes you think, maybe it's you who confused the cause and effect?

pc86 3y ago

How is "I give my negotiating rights away to a union and they did a worse job negotiating than I did" a "common anti-union tactic?" It sounds like just something that happens from time to time.

slothtrop 3y ago
That's true, but of course as a member you can pressure/vote for your union to bargain. And at any rate, most of the time union work pays better.
sneeze-slayer 3y ago
Typically because the company is more benevolent to non-union workers in this case so to try to incentivize workers to not join or leave the union. If there was no union involved, then the company wouldn't be so benevolent to non-union workers.
dontlaugh 3y ago
Unions negotiate collective minimums. Individuals frequently manage to negotiate more for themselves, if they have the leverage.
- mfer 3y ago
  It depends on the Union and where you're at. Some unions negotiate everything from vacation time to pay bands to how raises happen. There are many places where the hardest worker and the laziest worker make the same. There are places where what you make is solely based on how long you've had the job and it's not negotiable. Unions work differently in different places.

mfer 3y ago

It depends. A union that does right by its members means you have leadership who does that. I’ve seen numerous cases where that didn’t happen across several industries. The leadership ended up making bad decisions for the members.

VirusNewbie 3y ago

Why is it that my non union company showers me with incredible benefits and pay, far beyond any union employees? Hmmm... Makes you think, maybe it's you who confused the cause and effect?