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I think it's so they can figure out the application parts of the DE. Like how a lot of gnome stuff has the same menus. I'd say that the DE is usable though. No

I think it's so they can figure out the application parts of the DE. Like how a lot of gnome stuff has the same menus. I'd say that the DE is usable though. Not at feature parity, but usable. At least for anyone who lives in a browser which... is most people these days?

runjake 3y ago
Very good point! Edit: In fact, one of their engineers states as such here: https://old.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/18ike40/december_updates_the_spirit_of_cosmic/kdfb3s7/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/18ike40/december_up...
verdverm 3y ago
How many people (want to) write desktop apps with native libraries vs building something on electron & JS that runs the same everywhere?
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- mmstick76 3y ago
  Lots of them. I've read a lot of comments from the Rust community that they'd love to build native applications in Rust. This will be their moment to make something as C programmers had with GNOME, and C++ programmers had with KDE.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    And it’s not just Rust. I think there’s a handful of newer languages people would love to use for writing native desktop apps, but the frameworks and tooling aren’t there. For me that’s Swift. I don’t even need a UI framework that tries to be a silver bullet write-once-run-everywhere or one that strives to fit into the paradigm-du-jour; just give me something that’s serviceable with a decent loudout of widgets (many newer frameworks weirdly skip critical pillars like tableviews/datagrids) that I use to write per-platform UIs around a common Swift core.
    - verdverm 3y ago
      I agree, I tried a few different ones and the DX & features aren't there yet. Maybe one day this will change My next weird attempt will be VS Code plugin alternative for the `hof tui` as a gui. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBqBWO4y08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBqBWO4y08
- SonOfAPenguin 3y ago
  A lot. I mostly see electron pushed by companies/moneyed interests. Not, like, a conspiracy or anything. But because it lets them spend less while having platform support on multiple platforms. The issues that electron apps have seem to be sufficient that a lot of more solo/smaller devs avoid if they can. Not least because it can make debugging issues a lot harder. It's also resource intensive, which can make apps feel slow.

runjake 3y ago

Very good point! Edit: In fact, one of their engineers states as such here: https://old.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/18ike40/december_updates_the_spirit_of_cosmic/kdfb3s7/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/18ike40/december_up...

verdverm 3y ago

How many people (want to) write desktop apps with native libraries vs building something on electron & JS that runs the same everywhere?

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mmstick76 3y ago
Lots of them. I've read a lot of comments from the Rust community that they'd love to build native applications in Rust. This will be their moment to make something as C programmers had with GNOME, and C++ programmers had with KDE.
- jwells89 3y ago
  And it’s not just Rust. I think there’s a handful of newer languages people would love to use for writing native desktop apps, but the frameworks and tooling aren’t there. For me that’s Swift. I don’t even need a UI framework that tries to be a silver bullet write-once-run-everywhere or one that strives to fit into the paradigm-du-jour; just give me something that’s serviceable with a decent loudout of widgets (many newer frameworks weirdly skip critical pillars like tableviews/datagrids) that I use to write per-platform UIs around a common Swift core.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    I agree, I tried a few different ones and the DX & features aren't there yet. Maybe one day this will change My next weird attempt will be VS Code plugin alternative for the `hof tui` as a gui. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBqBWO4y08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBqBWO4y08
SonOfAPenguin 3y ago
A lot. I mostly see electron pushed by companies/moneyed interests. Not, like, a conspiracy or anything. But because it lets them spend less while having platform support on multiple platforms. The issues that electron apps have seem to be sufficient that a lot of more solo/smaller devs avoid if they can. Not least because it can make debugging issues a lot harder. It's also resource intensive, which can make apps feel slow.