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This issue would be much easier to solve if Twitch weren't owned by Amazon. Any platform is either porn or not porn. If you allow porn, if the porn is successfu

This issue would be much easier to solve if Twitch weren't owned by Amazon. Any platform is either porn or not porn. If you allow porn, if the porn is successful it'll drive everything else out. So either you have a platform that is not-porn, and bans porn, or it's porn and it's only got porn. The easy thing to do as a business would be to just have Twitch, and then have a sister company Twatch that allows porn. All the pornstars are happy - they have somewhere to go, the normies are happy - they aren't associated with porn. You could share the whole tech stack with the possible tweak of having separate credit card processing so that Visa/Mastercard don't shut off the porn. Hell, you could even have TwArtch for the arty people in the middle. But the probably is... then Amazon is running a porn business and they'd be in loads of trouble.

edflsafoiewq 3y ago
Reddit and Twitter (and old Tumblr) all have robust porn and non-porn content.
- MeImCounting 3y ago
  I cant actually think of any website thats gone the way the parent describes. Most website that have both do fine having both and its always corporate puritan ethics that causes porn to become its own separate site.
  - bagful 3y ago
    I can only think of Gfycat, which spun off their adult content to a separate site, Redgifs; since then the individual sites have been acquired by different companies.
    - ihuman 3y ago
      And now Gyfcat is dead, while the spinoff lives on
  - chetumal 3y ago
    Taringa and Poringa are examples, websites from Argentina, very popular from the mid 2000's to around mid 2010's. As far as I know they had the same owner and used the same software. Taringa was basically a forum where most content was links to download any kind of pirated content (except porn), and Poringa was that but for porn.
- SilverBirch 3y ago
  You've named the two least profitable social media platforms. Reddit is just in the process of discovering that they're going to be non-porn, just like Tumblr did. Twitter... well twitter plays by special rules now.
mx_03 3y ago
Wasnt that how twitch started? A sister company of JustinTV and then they closed JustinTV because it didnt make sense
- filoleg 3y ago
  It started as JustinTV, but it wasn’t for adult content or anything. JustinTV started just as a single channel website showing the 24/7 irl livestream of one of the founders, Justin Kan. Then they slowly opened it up for others to be able to host their own livestream. Bit by bit, some people started streaming games rather than irl. Very quickly, gaming became the most popular thing to stream there and overtook most of the platform. JustinTV staff then spun-off gaming channels on JustinTV into its own new gaming-only platform, Twitch. For a while they were running side-by-side. But as Twitch started becoming more generalist and less gaming-only, yeah, it became clear there is no point in keeping JustinTV alive, if Twitch became their all encompassing superset of JustinTV. I think the main difference is that Twitch and JustinTV didn’t have that much of a boundary in terms of content as SFW/NSFW split would. Their difference was mostly thematic, so it made sense to them at the time to eventually pool it all into one streaming platform. But that’s where we currently are with the problem of what’s allowed in twitch and what isn’t. Unlike with SFW/NSFW separation, Twitch wasn’t created for the purpose of hosting content that wasn’t allowed on JustinTV. It was created because gaming started overwhelming any other content on JustinTV, and they wanted the original irl livestreaming content of JustinTV to not die due to it all being games. Games were allowed on JustinTV just fine before that. JustinTV was rendered truly pointless once Twitch introduced IRL and “just chatting” categories, as that was just essentially a “justintv section”. Note: not disagreeing with you, you are correct. Just wanted to provide a bit more nuance to how it went down, as well as some context for why I don’t think that their separation approach would have the same type of an outcome as a SFW/NSFW spin-off would.

edflsafoiewq 3y ago

Reddit and Twitter (and old Tumblr) all have robust porn and non-porn content.

MeImCounting 3y ago
I cant actually think of any website thats gone the way the parent describes. Most website that have both do fine having both and its always corporate puritan ethics that causes porn to become its own separate site.
- bagful 3y ago
  I can only think of Gfycat, which spun off their adult content to a separate site, Redgifs; since then the individual sites have been acquired by different companies.
  - ihuman 3y ago
    And now Gyfcat is dead, while the spinoff lives on
- chetumal 3y ago
  Taringa and Poringa are examples, websites from Argentina, very popular from the mid 2000's to around mid 2010's. As far as I know they had the same owner and used the same software. Taringa was basically a forum where most content was links to download any kind of pirated content (except porn), and Poringa was that but for porn.
SilverBirch 3y ago
You've named the two least profitable social media platforms. Reddit is just in the process of discovering that they're going to be non-porn, just like Tumblr did. Twitter... well twitter plays by special rules now.

mx_03 3y ago

Wasnt that how twitch started? A sister company of JustinTV and then they closed JustinTV because it didnt make sense

filoleg 3y ago
It started as JustinTV, but it wasn’t for adult content or anything. JustinTV started just as a single channel website showing the 24/7 irl livestream of one of the founders, Justin Kan. Then they slowly opened it up for others to be able to host their own livestream. Bit by bit, some people started streaming games rather than irl. Very quickly, gaming became the most popular thing to stream there and overtook most of the platform. JustinTV staff then spun-off gaming channels on JustinTV into its own new gaming-only platform, Twitch. For a while they were running side-by-side. But as Twitch started becoming more generalist and less gaming-only, yeah, it became clear there is no point in keeping JustinTV alive, if Twitch became their all encompassing superset of JustinTV. I think the main difference is that Twitch and JustinTV didn’t have that much of a boundary in terms of content as SFW/NSFW split would. Their difference was mostly thematic, so it made sense to them at the time to eventually pool it all into one streaming platform. But that’s where we currently are with the problem of what’s allowed in twitch and what isn’t. Unlike with SFW/NSFW separation, Twitch wasn’t created for the purpose of hosting content that wasn’t allowed on JustinTV. It was created because gaming started overwhelming any other content on JustinTV, and they wanted the original irl livestreaming content of JustinTV to not die due to it all being games. Games were allowed on JustinTV just fine before that. JustinTV was rendered truly pointless once Twitch introduced IRL and “just chatting” categories, as that was just essentially a “justintv section”. Note: not disagreeing with you, you are correct. Just wanted to provide a bit more nuance to how it went down, as well as some context for why I don’t think that their separation approach would have the same type of an outcome as a SFW/NSFW spin-off would.