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Kind of a side bar but I wonder as AI generated images get better, it seems to me only a matter of time (if it hasn’t happened already) before images are genera

Kind of a side bar but I wonder as AI generated images get better, it seems to me only a matter of time (if it hasn’t happened already) before images are generated to create “proof” of conspiracy theories. I wonder if over time, particularly with our history now being primarily digital, if it will become more and more difficult to “know” which history is “true.” I say this as a quote from Napoleon comes to mind: History is a set of lies agreed upon..

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Kind of a side bar but I wonder as AI generated images get better, it seems to me only a matter of time (if it hasn’t happened already) before images are generated to create “proof” of conspiracy theories. Photographs have been manufactured for that purpose (and, even more simply, real undoctored photographs presented with false context for that purpose) for about as long as photography has existed.
- mmmBacon 3y ago
  Yes I think we’re all aware of that. Images of Stalin where people are edited out as they are purged come to mind. In the case of faked photographs these images were relatively few. I think AI generated images open up a whole new realm fakery not just in quality but quantity and variety and ability to widely distribute those images. A person wanting to create a fake narrative could potentially make it very difficult to tell what is real and what is fake.
gumby 3y ago
This was a regular feature of Soviet photographic record going back to the 1930s at least. They became quite good at removing (and occasionally adding) people to photographs for propaganda purposes or just rewriting history. This was the origin of Winston Smith's job in Orwell's Ministry of Truth -- are you going to believe your memory when the photographic (and text) record says otherwise?
satvikpendem 3y ago
And to avoid that (as well as to not pollute future AI scrapers), Adobe and other companies have created the Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity (C2PA) [0] and are doing attestation on camera made photos versus those made in software. [0] https://contentcredentials.org/ https://contentcredentials.org/
WalterBright 3y ago
I'm watching a current Netflix documentary on WW2 where they've colorized the old b+w footage. I've seen attempts at colorizing it before, which weren't that good. This attempt is much better (though they really ought to do better with peoples' teeth! ouch!). I recognize most of the footage, it's amazing how much more real it looks when in color. I've seen some bits of ancient film sharpened with AI, which makes it look incredibly new and fresh. I'd like to see that used with the WW2 footage. It's much more watchable that way. In a way, yes, it's lying, but not in a way that alters history.
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dragonwriter 3y ago

> Kind of a side bar but I wonder as AI generated images get better, it seems to me only a matter of time (if it hasn’t happened already) before images are generated to create “proof” of conspiracy theories. Photographs have been manufactured for that purpose (and, even more simply, real undoctored photographs presented with false context for that purpose) for about as long as photography has existed.

mmmBacon 3y ago
Yes I think we’re all aware of that. Images of Stalin where people are edited out as they are purged come to mind. In the case of faked photographs these images were relatively few. I think AI generated images open up a whole new realm fakery not just in quality but quantity and variety and ability to widely distribute those images. A person wanting to create a fake narrative could potentially make it very difficult to tell what is real and what is fake.

gumby 3y ago

This was a regular feature of Soviet photographic record going back to the 1930s at least. They became quite good at removing (and occasionally adding) people to photographs for propaganda purposes or just rewriting history. This was the origin of Winston Smith's job in Orwell's Ministry of Truth -- are you going to believe your memory when the photographic (and text) record says otherwise?

satvikpendem 3y ago

And to avoid that (as well as to not pollute future AI scrapers), Adobe and other companies have created the Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity (C2PA) [0] and are doing attestation on camera made photos versus those made in software. [0] https://contentcredentials.org/ https://contentcredentials.org/

WalterBright 3y ago

I'm watching a current Netflix documentary on WW2 where they've colorized the old b+w footage. I've seen attempts at colorizing it before, which weren't that good. This attempt is much better (though they really ought to do better with peoples' teeth! ouch!). I recognize most of the footage, it's amazing how much more real it looks when in color. I've seen some bits of ancient film sharpened with AI, which makes it look incredibly new and fresh. I'd like to see that used with the WW2 footage. It's much more watchable that way. In a way, yes, it's lying, but not in a way that alters history.

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