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Inspiring. Maybe one day they won't need the 20 billion dollars they get from google anymore, and they'll be able to build their own search engine.

flappyeagle 3y ago
You don’t get huge by saying no to risk free money
scarface_74 3y ago
And it would probably turn out as badly as Google selling its own phone. From the best estimates I can find Google sold around 10 million phones a year. That’s about how many phones that Apple sells in 15 days. To a first approximation, everyone would still switch to Google if Apple made a search engine.
- filoleg 3y ago
  Wanna count all Android phones sold (including non-Google ones) from which Google makes a cut, instead of just Google Pixel? I feel like that would be a slightly more fair comparison, given that Google would be making money from Android phones even if Google’s own Pixel line didn’t exist. Note: Apple almost definitely would still come out on top in terms of money made from phones, and by a significant margin, but the comparison would be more analogous if we counted not just Pixels imo.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    No because selling hardware and selling software are different competencies And we know from the Oracle Java trial back in the day how relatively little Google makes from Android compared to Apple from selling phones. And all indications are that Apple probably makes more in mobile from Google than Google makes from Android https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-android-generates-31-billion-revenue-oracle-says-ijor8hvt https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-...
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > And all indications are that Apple probably makes more in mobile from Google than Google makes from Android Oh, absolutely. That’s pretty much the reason why devs often prioritize iOS releases over Android versions, due to them being able to make way more money from iOS users (and, by extension, Apple being able to make way more money from an equivalent app on iOS app store, compared to its Google Play Store versions, since the app store revenue they make is a cut from the revenue the app devs make). My point wasn’t that taking all Android phones (not just Pixel ones) into the account would make the comparison a bit more representative of reality, even if it still keeps the gap in money made from sales of phones extremely wide.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Let me be clearer - my previous statement was kind of word salad. Google probably makes less than the $20B on Android than the same $20B that they pay Apple.
        filoleg 3y ago
        I really appreciate the clarification. That distilled claim is the one I can honestly believe to be true, though I don’t have the actual numbers to back it up.
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throwaway_89282 3y ago
This site: "Lord Thiel has commanded me to build monopolies." Also this site: "Apple is an evil monopolist."
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  This site has more than one user, and those users have different opinions. Who knew?

flappyeagle 3y ago

You don’t get huge by saying no to risk free money

scarface_74 3y ago

And it would probably turn out as badly as Google selling its own phone. From the best estimates I can find Google sold around 10 million phones a year. That’s about how many phones that Apple sells in 15 days. To a first approximation, everyone would still switch to Google if Apple made a search engine.

filoleg 3y ago
Wanna count all Android phones sold (including non-Google ones) from which Google makes a cut, instead of just Google Pixel? I feel like that would be a slightly more fair comparison, given that Google would be making money from Android phones even if Google’s own Pixel line didn’t exist. Note: Apple almost definitely would still come out on top in terms of money made from phones, and by a significant margin, but the comparison would be more analogous if we counted not just Pixels imo.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  No because selling hardware and selling software are different competencies And we know from the Oracle Java trial back in the day how relatively little Google makes from Android compared to Apple from selling phones. And all indications are that Apple probably makes more in mobile from Google than Google makes from Android https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-android-generates-31-billion-revenue-oracle-says-ijor8hvt https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/google-s-...
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > And all indications are that Apple probably makes more in mobile from Google than Google makes from Android Oh, absolutely. That’s pretty much the reason why devs often prioritize iOS releases over Android versions, due to them being able to make way more money from iOS users (and, by extension, Apple being able to make way more money from an equivalent app on iOS app store, compared to its Google Play Store versions, since the app store revenue they make is a cut from the revenue the app devs make). My point wasn’t that taking all Android phones (not just Pixel ones) into the account would make the comparison a bit more representative of reality, even if it still keeps the gap in money made from sales of phones extremely wide.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Let me be clearer - my previous statement was kind of word salad. Google probably makes less than the $20B on Android than the same $20B that they pay Apple.
      - filoleg 3y ago
        I really appreciate the clarification. That distilled claim is the one I can honestly believe to be true, though I don’t have the actual numbers to back it up.

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throwaway_89282 3y ago

This site: "Lord Thiel has commanded me to build monopolies." Also this site: "Apple is an evil monopolist."

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
This site has more than one user, and those users have different opinions. Who knew?