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Which is why we need laws that make doing so without very explicit consent for every generated work a felony offense with social and penal consequences equivale

Which is why we need laws that make doing so without very explicit consent for every generated work a felony offense with social and penal consequences equivalent to rape.

sorenjan 3y ago
That won't help against nation states spreading propaganda or manufacturing false evidence. If you thought Russian Twitter trolls were bad in 2016, wait until you see the TikTok trolls of tomorrow. This won't be regulated away, it will happen and everyone should be educated and prepared. That's just an unrealistic dream though, enough people will get fooled (I will probably be among them at least some of the time) that it will have consequences. Deepfakes have been used for scams for years already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqr0oER03SE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqr0oER03SE
- numbsafari 3y ago
  Murder isn't regulated away, either. Yet it is still against the law, and society invests in its prevention, and empowering the victims of violence with a civil means to seek retribution and protection. The situation is very similar to CP, and should be treated in a similar fashion.
positus 3y ago
An abundance of laws is little help against the evil intentions of the human heart.
- numbsafari 3y ago
  It would give victims a path to defend themselves. Today, they have nothing.
  - semiquaver 3y ago
    Deepfake videos aren’t covered by existing libel law?
    - numbsafari 3y ago
      To the best of my knowledge, in the US, there is no explicit law and libel/defamation laws have not been adequately tested and it is understood that they have very serious limitations, especially for those who previously engaged in sex work. > But no federal law criminalizes the creation or sharing of non-consensual deepfake porn in the United States. A lawsuit is also unlikely to stand up in civil court. https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2023/06/23/deepfake-pornography-law https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2023/06/23/deepfake-porno... > ... if someone makes a deepfake or otherwise posts a nonconsensual video of someone who does sex work, the defense could argue that because the woman’s reputation already involves sexual activity, her reputation is not being defamed by another video of sexual activity. Such an argument — and thus pursuit under defamation as a whole — would be missing the actual point, which is the violation of consent. https://www.cyber.forum.yale.edu/blog/2021/7/20/deepfake-pornography-beyond-defamation-law https://www.cyber.forum.yale.edu/blog/2021/7/20/deepfake-por...

Which is why we need laws that make doing so without very explicit consent for every generated work a felony offense with social and penal consequences equivalent to rape.

sorenjan 3y ago

That won't help against nation states spreading propaganda or manufacturing false evidence. If you thought Russian Twitter trolls were bad in 2016, wait until you see the TikTok trolls of tomorrow. This won't be regulated away, it will happen and everyone should be educated and prepared. That's just an unrealistic dream though, enough people will get fooled (I will probably be among them at least some of the time) that it will have consequences. Deepfakes have been used for scams for years already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqr0oER03SE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqr0oER03SE

numbsafari 3y ago
Murder isn't regulated away, either. Yet it is still against the law, and society invests in its prevention, and empowering the victims of violence with a civil means to seek retribution and protection. The situation is very similar to CP, and should be treated in a similar fashion.

positus 3y ago

An abundance of laws is little help against the evil intentions of the human heart.

numbsafari 3y ago
It would give victims a path to defend themselves. Today, they have nothing.
- semiquaver 3y ago
  Deepfake videos aren’t covered by existing libel law?
  - numbsafari 3y ago
    To the best of my knowledge, in the US, there is no explicit law and libel/defamation laws have not been adequately tested and it is understood that they have very serious limitations, especially for those who previously engaged in sex work. > But no federal law criminalizes the creation or sharing of non-consensual deepfake porn in the United States. A lawsuit is also unlikely to stand up in civil court. https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2023/06/23/deepfake-pornography-law https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2023/06/23/deepfake-porno... > ... if someone makes a deepfake or otherwise posts a nonconsensual video of someone who does sex work, the defense could argue that because the woman’s reputation already involves sexual activity, her reputation is not being defamed by another video of sexual activity. Such an argument — and thus pursuit under defamation as a whole — would be missing the actual point, which is the violation of consent. https://www.cyber.forum.yale.edu/blog/2021/7/20/deepfake-pornography-beyond-defamation-law https://www.cyber.forum.yale.edu/blog/2021/7/20/deepfake-por...