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I just wish they could nail down the product name. I thought ".NET whatever" was confusing, and now it's Copilot. In terms of the other Copilots, they all hav

I just wish they could nail down the product name. I thought ".NET whatever" was confusing, and now it's Copilot. In terms of the other Copilots, they all have different release dates. Here's a topline review: Copilot in Windows started rolling out on Windows 11 on September 26 through a Windows 11 update. Copilot for Microsoft 365 began rolling out for enterprise customers on November 1 and will roll out to non-enterprise users at a later date. Copilot for Sales will be available in the first quarter of 2024. Copilot for Service will be generally available in early 2024. Copilot in Viva will begin rolling out to customers "later in 2023", according to Microsoft. Github Copilot was the first tool to release, all the way back in 2021. https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-microsoft-copilot-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-microsoft-copilot-here...

emodendroket 3y ago
.NET was incoherent but "Copilot" is all LLM-based, text-generating products, right?
tonyedgecombe 3y ago
>Copilot for Sales will be available in the first quarter of 2024. I dread to think how that is going to turn out for the rest of us.
- lvncelot 3y ago
  Yeah, I had a visceral reaction to that sentence.
  - flkenosad 3y ago
    Prepare for the war.
    - mikro2nd 3y ago
      The Butlerian Jihad?
    - freedomben 3y ago
      My guess is that (if it hasn't already happened) LLMs will be generating all those sales pitch emails that they send to everyone in their data set (which seems to come mostly from linked in) who is in management. It used to be pretty easy to tell which emails were genuinely someone who noticed us and thinks we could use their product from the people doing a sales routine. Now it's probably going to be impossible, and they're going to know exactly the best way to approach/word things. My response to this is basically going to be to assuming that anything unsolicited is probably generated.
      - emodendroket 3y ago
        No, I think it will still be pretty easy to tell by the "unsubscribe from these messages" link
- bonton89 3y ago
  It might be a technological innovation that creates actual negative productivity. Mass production of mush-mouthed corpospeak that says nothing at all bombarding people nonstop. Some people will use AI to summarize the AI created bloat, each step creating hallucinations and missing more of the tiny nuance and inverted truth already inherent. Most will just become more ignorant and try to ignore it. The solution will be to increase the output of redundant communications to make up for the error rate and reduced intake. As it exists and is everywhere you can't just ban it away either. It is like steroids in baseball or adderall in med school, every other participate is cheating so you'll need to cheat just to keep up.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    Yeah, imagine a world where your inbox is full of unwanted solicitations from salespeople. Sound farfetched? It may not be.
  - gremlinsinc 3y ago
    It'll have wins and losses but win in the end...AI is the end game for humanity. Whether we can assimilate with the machines or be killed out by them is yet to be seen. Hallucinations are like jpeg defects from earlier image models they got better, many of the greatest mines are working on it. Claude has improvement measures to cut back, one thing is as simple as telling it is you aren't certain an answer is accurate it's better to say I don't know that.... Ultimately in situations with outdated data it'll be on the corporation or user to ensure only up to date info is accessible or at least have a versions system like git to track changes so it'll know which document version carries more weight. As you said it's like Adderall or steroids....I think it's more like the Internet, how many business in 2020 had zero Internet presence? What about 2000? In the end we will get AGI and then super AGI which will be as full proof as a human could ever be with a team of researchers and fact checkers because it'll be genuine intelligence and able to know and discern more intuitively whatever it needs to know to get the job done.
    - rurp 3y ago
      AI is the only domain where I have seen a large number of people rooting for the creation of an existential risk. Nearly everyone is horrified at the thought of nuclear war, climate disaster, or a genetically engineered super virus. Something like gain of function research is heavily restricted and still controversial. But so many people are YOLOing towards future AI developments. I guess the potential for robot butlers and immense corporate profits is worth the risk? Maybe AI never lives up to the hype, but a future conditional on AI transforming the world is not far from one destroying it.
albert_e 3y ago
Other vendors have Copilots too which muddy the waters even more AWS Copilot Command line interface for containerized applications https://aws.amazon.com/containers/copilot/ https://aws.amazon.com/containers/copilot/
TradingPlaces 3y ago
A few weeks ago, they renamed it "Microsoft Copilot for Microsoft 365.” https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/copilot-for-microsoft-365 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/cop...
- xxs 3y ago
  It goes to show naming is difficult not only when it comes to classes, methods, and fields
  - majewsky 3y ago
    There are only two hard problems in software development: naming, cache invalidation, and not having Copilot hallucinate a third thing.
    - nycdatasci 3y ago
      And off-by-one errors. :-)
sebazzz 3y ago
Did you remember when the .NET Passport was how the Microsoft login system was called?

emodendroket 3y ago

.NET was incoherent but "Copilot" is all LLM-based, text-generating products, right?

tonyedgecombe 3y ago

>Copilot for Sales will be available in the first quarter of 2024. I dread to think how that is going to turn out for the rest of us.

lvncelot 3y ago
Yeah, I had a visceral reaction to that sentence.
- flkenosad 3y ago
  Prepare for the war.
  - mikro2nd 3y ago
    The Butlerian Jihad?
  - freedomben 3y ago
    My guess is that (if it hasn't already happened) LLMs will be generating all those sales pitch emails that they send to everyone in their data set (which seems to come mostly from linked in) who is in management. It used to be pretty easy to tell which emails were genuinely someone who noticed us and thinks we could use their product from the people doing a sales routine. Now it's probably going to be impossible, and they're going to know exactly the best way to approach/word things. My response to this is basically going to be to assuming that anything unsolicited is probably generated.
    - emodendroket 3y ago
      No, I think it will still be pretty easy to tell by the "unsubscribe from these messages" link
bonton89 3y ago
It might be a technological innovation that creates actual negative productivity. Mass production of mush-mouthed corpospeak that says nothing at all bombarding people nonstop. Some people will use AI to summarize the AI created bloat, each step creating hallucinations and missing more of the tiny nuance and inverted truth already inherent. Most will just become more ignorant and try to ignore it. The solution will be to increase the output of redundant communications to make up for the error rate and reduced intake. As it exists and is everywhere you can't just ban it away either. It is like steroids in baseball or adderall in med school, every other participate is cheating so you'll need to cheat just to keep up.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  Yeah, imagine a world where your inbox is full of unwanted solicitations from salespeople. Sound farfetched? It may not be.
- gremlinsinc 3y ago
  It'll have wins and losses but win in the end...AI is the end game for humanity. Whether we can assimilate with the machines or be killed out by them is yet to be seen. Hallucinations are like jpeg defects from earlier image models they got better, many of the greatest mines are working on it. Claude has improvement measures to cut back, one thing is as simple as telling it is you aren't certain an answer is accurate it's better to say I don't know that.... Ultimately in situations with outdated data it'll be on the corporation or user to ensure only up to date info is accessible or at least have a versions system like git to track changes so it'll know which document version carries more weight. As you said it's like Adderall or steroids....I think it's more like the Internet, how many business in 2020 had zero Internet presence? What about 2000? In the end we will get AGI and then super AGI which will be as full proof as a human could ever be with a team of researchers and fact checkers because it'll be genuine intelligence and able to know and discern more intuitively whatever it needs to know to get the job done.
  - rurp 3y ago
    AI is the only domain where I have seen a large number of people rooting for the creation of an existential risk. Nearly everyone is horrified at the thought of nuclear war, climate disaster, or a genetically engineered super virus. Something like gain of function research is heavily restricted and still controversial. But so many people are YOLOing towards future AI developments. I guess the potential for robot butlers and immense corporate profits is worth the risk? Maybe AI never lives up to the hype, but a future conditional on AI transforming the world is not far from one destroying it.

albert_e 3y ago

Other vendors have Copilots too which muddy the waters even more AWS Copilot Command line interface for containerized applications https://aws.amazon.com/containers/copilot/ https://aws.amazon.com/containers/copilot/

TradingPlaces 3y ago

A few weeks ago, they renamed it "Microsoft Copilot for Microsoft 365.” https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/copilot-for-microsoft-365 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/cop...

xxs 3y ago
It goes to show naming is difficult not only when it comes to classes, methods, and fields
- majewsky 3y ago
  There are only two hard problems in software development: naming, cache invalidation, and not having Copilot hallucinate a third thing.
  - nycdatasci 3y ago
    And off-by-one errors. :-)

sebazzz 3y ago

Did you remember when the .NET Passport was how the Microsoft login system was called?