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It’s not just about market share. In Scandinavia about 90% of middle class people use iphones, but this whole blue-green bubble nonsense is a total non-issue. W

It’s not just about market share. In Scandinavia about 90% of middle class people use iphones, but this whole blue-green bubble nonsense is a total non-issue. We have group chats in whatsapp, fb messages or sms, nobody cares.

vintermann 3y ago
> In Scandinavia about 90% of middle class people use iphones Whoa, citation needed there. I don't use one, and most people I know don't use one.
- hocuspocus 3y ago
  That's an exaggeration but I assume 70-80% in upper middle class would be realistic? At least in Norway and Denmark, maybe a bit less so in Sweden.
  - zulln 3y ago
    The numbers differ a bit in different sources, but seems to be around 60% for Sweden. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/sweden https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/sweden Based on that upper middle class being a bit more common seems likely. Regardless, the original point stands regardless of it being 50% or 80%.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Aren't you part of the royal family?
- Grustaf 3y ago
  In the upper middle class in Copenhagen it’s more than that, seeing an android phone is very rare. Even in the metro you can go days without seeing one.
filoleg 3y ago
This makes me wonder, what’s the iMessage situation in Japan? Their smartphone market is also majority iOS, sitting at above 60% (while it is only a little bit above 50% for the US)[0]. Despite that, I am yet to hear about their version of the whole “blue bubble exclusion” controversy. It could definitely be just due to the japanese users not being super active on western internet, and not necessarily due to that controversy not being a thing in Japan. But it could just be a non-issue in Japan. Can anyone with knowledge of this chime in? 0. https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-android-dominates-in-china-and-india https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-...
- hocuspocus 3y ago
  LINE absolutely dominates the Japanese market in instant messaging and beyond (it's a super app like WeChat or KakaoTalk).
  - filoleg 3y ago
    Yeah, I was familiar with LINE and Kakao, and I like how similar the setup is for SK and Japan. Thanks to your point, this way we can easily see that despite SK being android-dominant and Japan being iPhone-dominant, both are not heavily into iMessage and prefer their native super apps instead. Which provides a solid data point in favor of those claiming that the iMessage proliferation and dominance don’t necessarily have a direct causation stemming from iOS/Android dominance in a given market.
    - hocuspocus 3y ago
      Interestingly enough in Korea, the iOS market share is fairly high among some demographics, especially young professionals with enough disposable income. Android (Samsung, at this point) phones are seen as an option for boomers or younger kids. So in practice my wife uses FaceTime quite a bit with her siblings, and falls back to KakaoTalk when needed. Her iMessage usage isn't zero either, but mostly 1:1, group chats happen over KakaoTalk, since you know everyone will be there. I don't know if similar patterns are seen in Japan.
firecall 3y ago
Same in Australia, and my friends in the UK. Blue / Green bubble is a total non issue. We use Telegram or Facebook Messenger. Facebook Messenger and FB Groups are the main form of comms for School networking. Whats App is huge in the Uk by all accounts. I have friends in LA who say the blue / green bubble situation is a non issue for them, and they use Android. However it might be an issue for other non Middle Ages demographics and so on. Still, I have a suspicion the drama over bubble colour is hyped up but the US media.

vintermann 3y ago

> In Scandinavia about 90% of middle class people use iphones Whoa, citation needed there. I don't use one, and most people I know don't use one.

hocuspocus 3y ago
That's an exaggeration but I assume 70-80% in upper middle class would be realistic? At least in Norway and Denmark, maybe a bit less so in Sweden.
- zulln 3y ago
  The numbers differ a bit in different sources, but seems to be around 60% for Sweden. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/sweden https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/sweden Based on that upper middle class being a bit more common seems likely. Regardless, the original point stands regardless of it being 50% or 80%.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Aren't you part of the royal family?
Grustaf 3y ago
In the upper middle class in Copenhagen it’s more than that, seeing an android phone is very rare. Even in the metro you can go days without seeing one.

filoleg 3y ago

This makes me wonder, what’s the iMessage situation in Japan? Their smartphone market is also majority iOS, sitting at above 60% (while it is only a little bit above 50% for the US)[0]. Despite that, I am yet to hear about their version of the whole “blue bubble exclusion” controversy. It could definitely be just due to the japanese users not being super active on western internet, and not necessarily due to that controversy not being a thing in Japan. But it could just be a non-issue in Japan. Can anyone with knowledge of this chime in? 0. https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-android-dominates-in-china-and-india https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-...

hocuspocus 3y ago
LINE absolutely dominates the Japanese market in instant messaging and beyond (it's a super app like WeChat or KakaoTalk).
- filoleg 3y ago
  Yeah, I was familiar with LINE and Kakao, and I like how similar the setup is for SK and Japan. Thanks to your point, this way we can easily see that despite SK being android-dominant and Japan being iPhone-dominant, both are not heavily into iMessage and prefer their native super apps instead. Which provides a solid data point in favor of those claiming that the iMessage proliferation and dominance don’t necessarily have a direct causation stemming from iOS/Android dominance in a given market.
  - hocuspocus 3y ago
    Interestingly enough in Korea, the iOS market share is fairly high among some demographics, especially young professionals with enough disposable income. Android (Samsung, at this point) phones are seen as an option for boomers or younger kids. So in practice my wife uses FaceTime quite a bit with her siblings, and falls back to KakaoTalk when needed. Her iMessage usage isn't zero either, but mostly 1:1, group chats happen over KakaoTalk, since you know everyone will be there. I don't know if similar patterns are seen in Japan.

firecall 3y ago

Same in Australia, and my friends in the UK. Blue / Green bubble is a total non issue. We use Telegram or Facebook Messenger. Facebook Messenger and FB Groups are the main form of comms for School networking. Whats App is huge in the Uk by all accounts. I have friends in LA who say the blue / green bubble situation is a non issue for them, and they use Android. However it might be an issue for other non Middle Ages demographics and so on. Still, I have a suspicion the drama over bubble colour is hyped up but the US media.