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You absolutely can be phobic (read: afraid) towards certain cultures and religious values. It is not a secret that people from abrahamic countries more often g

You absolutely can be phobic (read: afraid) towards certain cultures and religious values. It is not a secret that people from abrahamic countries more often get their - conservative - values from religion than people in the west nowadays do. As a bisexual man who has a lot of connections / friends in the gay community, we are afraid and for good reason. People like me suffer from violence every day in the middle east and europe is actively importing massive numbers of immigrants into our place of living who more often than not hold opinions completely different than what I would call „western values“ - and they are much closer to actively showing violence against gay people than the natives who hold „moral conflictions“. Attacks on gay people are on the rise and whereas gay people had no problem holding hands or showing affection out in the open even in Germany 15 years ago, they are much more cautious now.

082349872349872 3y ago
> Attacks on gay people are on the rise By Ausländer or by AfD-or-further types? https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30252.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30252.jpeg
- selfmodruntime 3y ago
  Nice infographic, but it‘s no secret that we‘re counting radical attacks by people who also - by complete chance I wonder? - happen to be muslim as „rechte angriffe“ as well.
foldr 3y ago
For another perspective on this, as a Eurpoean (well, British) gay man who lives in a neighborhood with lots of Muslim immigrants in it, I am much more concerned with threats to LGBT rights coming from domestic right-wing political sources. As the sibling comment points out, the idea that immigrants or refugees are to blame for recent rises in hate crime is more reflective of how skillfully the right plays minority groups off against each other than it is of any facts on the ground. They love it when gays are more worried about 'foreign' Muslim immigrants than they are about the domestic politicians who are actually gearing up to pass anti-LGBT legislation.
- richbell 3y ago
  > As the sister post points out, the idea that immigrants or refugees are to blame for recent rises in hate crime is more reflective of how skillfully the right plays minority groups off against each other than it is of any facts on the ground. This is a strange argument to make. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims worldwide, they are not a minority. In Canada, Muslims are some of the loudest voices against LGBT rights and representation. Another example in the states: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202...
  - foldr 3y ago
    Muslims are a minority in Germany, the UK, and most European countries. Surely it's obvious from the context that this is what I'm referring to. Getting the dafter elements of the Muslim community worked up about trans people is approximately as easy as getting the dafter elements of the gay community worked up about Muslims. The right is very good at stirring this particular pot. I personally have no doubt where the real threat to my rights comes from.
    - richbell 3y ago
      > Muslims are a minority in Germany, the UK, and most European countries. Surely it's obvious from the context that this is what I'm referring to Regardless, it is misleading to cast them as a minority group in the same way as the LGBT population. They have global solidarity and power. > I personally have no doubt where the real threat to my rights comes from. It's not mutually exclusive. Radical elements from the Muslim community have long since propagated such beliefs, it's bizarre to act as if "the right stirring the pot" is the only reason such beliefs exist. Of course, there are many peaceful and tolerant Muslims. I personally know several people who moved to western countries to escape the radical elements of their home country. Those same radical elements are now (~10-15 years) immigrating and bringing their beliefs with them.
      - 3y ago

082349872349872 3y ago

> Attacks on gay people are on the rise By Ausländer or by AfD-or-further types? https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30252.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/30252.jpeg

selfmodruntime 3y ago
Nice infographic, but it‘s no secret that we‘re counting radical attacks by people who also - by complete chance I wonder? - happen to be muslim as „rechte angriffe“ as well.

foldr 3y ago

For another perspective on this, as a Eurpoean (well, British) gay man who lives in a neighborhood with lots of Muslim immigrants in it, I am much more concerned with threats to LGBT rights coming from domestic right-wing political sources. As the sibling comment points out, the idea that immigrants or refugees are to blame for recent rises in hate crime is more reflective of how skillfully the right plays minority groups off against each other than it is of any facts on the ground. They love it when gays are more worried about 'foreign' Muslim immigrants than they are about the domestic politicians who are actually gearing up to pass anti-LGBT legislation.

richbell 3y ago
> As the sister post points out, the idea that immigrants or refugees are to blame for recent rises in hate crime is more reflective of how skillfully the right plays minority groups off against each other than it is of any facts on the ground. This is a strange argument to make. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims worldwide, they are not a minority. In Canada, Muslims are some of the loudest voices against LGBT rights and representation. Another example in the states: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202...
- foldr 3y ago
  Muslims are a minority in Germany, the UK, and most European countries. Surely it's obvious from the context that this is what I'm referring to. Getting the dafter elements of the Muslim community worked up about trans people is approximately as easy as getting the dafter elements of the gay community worked up about Muslims. The right is very good at stirring this particular pot. I personally have no doubt where the real threat to my rights comes from.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > Muslims are a minority in Germany, the UK, and most European countries. Surely it's obvious from the context that this is what I'm referring to Regardless, it is misleading to cast them as a minority group in the same way as the LGBT population. They have global solidarity and power. > I personally have no doubt where the real threat to my rights comes from. It's not mutually exclusive. Radical elements from the Muslim community have long since propagated such beliefs, it's bizarre to act as if "the right stirring the pot" is the only reason such beliefs exist. Of course, there are many peaceful and tolerant Muslims. I personally know several people who moved to western countries to escape the radical elements of their home country. Those same radical elements are now (~10-15 years) immigrating and bringing their beliefs with them.
    - 3y ago