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I have a husband and family. Same-sex marriage and adoption is illegal in China, but not anywhere in the US. I can’t speak to public attitudes, but I would assu

I have a husband and family. Same-sex marriage and adoption is illegal in China, but not anywhere in the US. I can’t speak to public attitudes, but I would assume that they are correspondingly worse in China.

justworkout 3y ago
Socially, nobody would care. Apparently China even grants marriage visas for same-sex couples, although locally it's not really possible to get married yet. But the vast majority of countries still have legal opposition to it so China isn't unique in that sense, although China is making clear changes towards by granting couples various legal benefits similar to typical marriages. It's ahead of some European countries. Throughout east Asia, people really just do not care what others outside their family do and don't get upset about it. But because it's none of their concern, basically nobody bothers to march in the streets for it, and governments are slow to push for social change.
- Veraticus 3y ago
  This is untrue. See articles like this: https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/4/21/fatherhood-finally-within-reach-some-gay-men-china https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/4/21/fatherhood-fin... > Today in China, gestational surrogacy is illegal for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Adoption is restricted to people in heterosexual marriages. This means gay people can't have kids. China lags significantly behind basically any European country in terms of gay rights and gay families and it’s getting worse: https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/china-bans-gay-couples-from-adopting-children-prohibits-gay-pride-marches-reports-5288066.html/amp https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/china-bans-gay-coupl... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna85528 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna85528 Asserting people don’t care when the government continues to pursue obviously anti-LGBTQ policies is silly.
  - justworkout 3y ago
    Italy has is forcing apart LGBT families as we speak but nobody talks about that. > Today in China, gestational surrogacy is illegal for everyone That sounds less like a problem for LGBT people and one for everyone. And that's not unique to China. Japan and Korea don't recognize it. And to bring up Italy again, it's illegal there. China really isn't exceptionally bad in any of these aspects. It's really just at the global standard. The US, mostly due to places like California, New York, and Massachusetts, is paving the way for this. A large portion of the US (red states) is kicking and screaming and trying to find ways to get the courts to strike it down as we speak, or repeatedly passing laws to restrict it that get immediately struck down by courts. And again, Italy is happily pushing the opposite direction. The consensus in east Asia as a whole is "whatever. Who cares" (with Taiwan being the sole exception), which is at least better than that. But Italy will keep topping travel and expat destinations despite being actively more antagonistic to LGBT families.

justworkout 3y ago

Socially, nobody would care. Apparently China even grants marriage visas for same-sex couples, although locally it's not really possible to get married yet. But the vast majority of countries still have legal opposition to it so China isn't unique in that sense, although China is making clear changes towards by granting couples various legal benefits similar to typical marriages. It's ahead of some European countries. Throughout east Asia, people really just do not care what others outside their family do and don't get upset about it. But because it's none of their concern, basically nobody bothers to march in the streets for it, and governments are slow to push for social change.

Veraticus 3y ago
This is untrue. See articles like this: https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/4/21/fatherhood-finally-within-reach-some-gay-men-china https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019/4/21/fatherhood-fin... > Today in China, gestational surrogacy is illegal for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Adoption is restricted to people in heterosexual marriages. This means gay people can't have kids. China lags significantly behind basically any European country in terms of gay rights and gay families and it’s getting worse: https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/china-bans-gay-couples-from-adopting-children-prohibits-gay-pride-marches-reports-5288066.html/amp https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/china-bans-gay-coupl... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna85528 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna85528 Asserting people don’t care when the government continues to pursue obviously anti-LGBTQ policies is silly.
- justworkout 3y ago
  Italy has is forcing apart LGBT families as we speak but nobody talks about that. > Today in China, gestational surrogacy is illegal for everyone That sounds less like a problem for LGBT people and one for everyone. And that's not unique to China. Japan and Korea don't recognize it. And to bring up Italy again, it's illegal there. China really isn't exceptionally bad in any of these aspects. It's really just at the global standard. The US, mostly due to places like California, New York, and Massachusetts, is paving the way for this. A large portion of the US (red states) is kicking and screaming and trying to find ways to get the courts to strike it down as we speak, or repeatedly passing laws to restrict it that get immediately struck down by courts. And again, Italy is happily pushing the opposite direction. The consensus in east Asia as a whole is "whatever. Who cares" (with Taiwan being the sole exception), which is at least better than that. But Italy will keep topping travel and expat destinations despite being actively more antagonistic to LGBT families.