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Is there anything similar on Milgram's experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

by mgh2 3y ago

sarchertech 3y ago
“Many of Milgram’s participants believed it to be impossible that the prestigious Yale University experimenter would allow real harm to be inflicted on an experimental subject. Although Milgram claimed that 75% of his participants thought they were administering painful shocks, Perry’s re-analysis of the data showed that “It’s more truthful to say that only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real, and of those, two-thirds disobeyed the experimenter” (p. 163). Furthermore, she argues that many of those who did administer the maximum amount of shock did so because they were confident the shock wasn’t real or that the experiment was an elaborate ruse.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201301/the-secrets-behind-psychology-s-most-famous-experiment https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/...
lupusreal 3y ago
The popular shocking interpretation of the Milgram experiment is that most people will follow orders and obey authority, even in service of an ideology they don't believe in. For instance, if given an order by Nazis to kill Jews, most people would follow the order and do so. There's a Nazi in all of us, that's the shocking result that made the experiment famous. It's BS though. The Milgram experiments actually showed that the explanations given with the orders mattered a lot. When the orders were given by people dressed like scientists and explained with "this is necessary for science", compliance rates were highest. When these factors were changed, compliance rates dropped. Compliance rates also dropped when the experiment was performed outside of college towns. What it actually demonstrated is that people do check orders against their pre-existing ideological commitments, and that people who trust scientists and believe in the necessity of science may be willing to commit atrocities in the service of science. Those same people, if given orders by Nazis, would refuse and walk away from the situation (presuming they could do so without being shot.). In other words, the shocking result is wrong and the real result is mundane. People may commit atrocities for causes they believe in, when given those orders by people they trust.
- mcv 3y ago
  I've also heard that most of the people who continued pressing the button believed the shocks to be fake. The actual number of people who believed they were electrocuting someone and yet continued doing it was very small.

Is there anything similar on Milgram's experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

by mgh2 3y ago

Is there anything similar on Milgram's experiment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

sarchertech 3y ago

“Many of Milgram’s participants believed it to be impossible that the prestigious Yale University experimenter would allow real harm to be inflicted on an experimental subject. Although Milgram claimed that 75% of his participants thought they were administering painful shocks, Perry’s re-analysis of the data showed that “It’s more truthful to say that only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real, and of those, two-thirds disobeyed the experimenter” (p. 163). Furthermore, she argues that many of those who did administer the maximum amount of shock did so because they were confident the shock wasn’t real or that the experiment was an elaborate ruse.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201301/the-secrets-behind-psychology-s-most-famous-experiment https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/...

lupusreal 3y ago

The popular shocking interpretation of the Milgram experiment is that most people will follow orders and obey authority, even in service of an ideology they don't believe in. For instance, if given an order by Nazis to kill Jews, most people would follow the order and do so. There's a Nazi in all of us, that's the shocking result that made the experiment famous. It's BS though. The Milgram experiments actually showed that the explanations given with the orders mattered a lot. When the orders were given by people dressed like scientists and explained with "this is necessary for science", compliance rates were highest. When these factors were changed, compliance rates dropped. Compliance rates also dropped when the experiment was performed outside of college towns. What it actually demonstrated is that people do check orders against their pre-existing ideological commitments, and that people who trust scientists and believe in the necessity of science may be willing to commit atrocities in the service of science. Those same people, if given orders by Nazis, would refuse and walk away from the situation (presuming they could do so without being shot.). In other words, the shocking result is wrong and the real result is mundane. People may commit atrocities for causes they believe in, when given those orders by people they trust.

mcv 3y ago
I've also heard that most of the people who continued pressing the button believed the shocks to be fake. The actual number of people who believed they were electrocuting someone and yet continued doing it was very small.