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Most importantly, > You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.

skyfaller 3y ago
But how long until this archive also joins the Google graveyard? If it were another company aside from Google, this might be more encouraging.
- beej71 3y ago
  Seems like this would be a great job for Internet Archive, but a cursory glance doesn't show it there. I get that the *.binaries could be too much and super illegal, but maybe the text ones.
  - kristofferR 3y ago
    https://archive.org/details/usenet https://archive.org/details/usenet
stonogo 3y ago
Google has a history of not living up to that particular claim: https://www.electricmonk.nl/log/2005/12/21/how-google-fucked-up-usenet/ https://www.electricmonk.nl/log/2005/12/21/how-google-fucked... https://thenextweb.com/news/google-groups-stopped-indexing-usenet-newsgroups-a-week-ago-and-barely-anyone-noticed https://thenextweb.com/news/google-groups-stopped-indexing-u... https://www.vice.com/en/article/jp5a77/google-a-search-company-has-made-its-internet-archive-impossible-to-search https://www.vice.com/en/article/jp5a77/google-a-search-compa... https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/3ggogo/google_has_lost_old_usenet_posts_where_can_i_find/ https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/3ggogo/google_has_l... https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch.embedded/c/zKo883p9AJQ https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch.embedded/c/zKo883p9AJQ
- tap-snap-or-nap 3y ago
  I doubt that corporations have the right intentions when acquiring public services. In fact, I'm inclined to believe there is a conflict of interest, and their objective may be to prevent these services from flourishing, or to sabotage them in the long term. Immediate sabotage would cause public outrage, so it's likely more subtle. This concern is evident in the recent acquisitions of GitHub and Twitter.
iggldiggl 3y ago
> You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups. What about the newsgroups where access (including the archives!) had been blocked by Google for too much spam (maybe ironically facilitated by Google Groups in the first place)?
- njsg 3y ago
  I guess one must ask El Reg to write about it. I think that might have been how it got solved a couple years ago when comp.lang.c and others were affected by this [1]. Currently, at least mozilla.support.seamonkey (not a USENET group, but from news.mozilla.org - which was shut down, but whose archived content would certainly be useful) is in that state at Google Groups. And yes, IIRC the only SPAM in recent times in that group had been posted via Google Groups... [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/01/google_usenet/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/01/google_usenet/

skyfaller 3y ago

But how long until this archive also joins the Google graveyard? If it were another company aside from Google, this might be more encouraging.

beej71 3y ago
Seems like this would be a great job for Internet Archive, but a cursory glance doesn't show it there. I get that the *.binaries could be too much and super illegal, but maybe the text ones.
- kristofferR 3y ago
  https://archive.org/details/usenet https://archive.org/details/usenet

stonogo 3y ago

Google has a history of not living up to that particular claim: https://www.electricmonk.nl/log/2005/12/21/how-google-fucked-up-usenet/ https://www.electricmonk.nl/log/2005/12/21/how-google-fucked... https://thenextweb.com/news/google-groups-stopped-indexing-usenet-newsgroups-a-week-ago-and-barely-anyone-noticed https://thenextweb.com/news/google-groups-stopped-indexing-u... https://www.vice.com/en/article/jp5a77/google-a-search-company-has-made-its-internet-archive-impossible-to-search https://www.vice.com/en/article/jp5a77/google-a-search-compa... https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/3ggogo/google_has_lost_old_usenet_posts_where_can_i_find/ https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/3ggogo/google_has_l... https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch.embedded/c/zKo883p9AJQ https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch.embedded/c/zKo883p9AJQ

tap-snap-or-nap 3y ago
I doubt that corporations have the right intentions when acquiring public services. In fact, I'm inclined to believe there is a conflict of interest, and their objective may be to prevent these services from flourishing, or to sabotage them in the long term. Immediate sabotage would cause public outrage, so it's likely more subtle. This concern is evident in the recent acquisitions of GitHub and Twitter.

iggldiggl 3y ago

> You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups. What about the newsgroups where access (including the archives!) had been blocked by Google for too much spam (maybe ironically facilitated by Google Groups in the first place)?

njsg 3y ago
I guess one must ask El Reg to write about it. I think that might have been how it got solved a couple years ago when comp.lang.c and others were affected by this [1]. Currently, at least mozilla.support.seamonkey (not a USENET group, but from news.mozilla.org - which was shut down, but whose archived content would certainly be useful) is in that state at Google Groups. And yes, IIRC the only SPAM in recent times in that group had been posted via Google Groups... [1] https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/01/google_usenet/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/01/google_usenet/