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- medler 3y agoBig Microsoft critic here but that tweet made me chuckle. Gotta give this one to the Microsoft social team
- ilrwbwrkhv 3y agoMicrosoft has historically been the ugly one out of the ones that made it. Always they had a reputation of being slimy with low quality code, bugs. Of course the whole Casey Muratori incident also made it clear how terrible Microsoft programmers are. I worked with 2 Microsoft principal engineers in my life and I swore I would never work with another Microsoft dev since then.
- sgift 3y agoNo idea what the "Casey Muratori incident" is but basing your opinion on thousands of engineers at a company on three data points, while that company has put out the most widely used software on the planet with the most diverse user base ... I don't think you have a good case here.
- userbinator 3y agomost widely used software Quantity != quality. Especially when the majority of those users are likely not using it by choice.
- peteradio 3y agoI assume you mean Excel? Launched in 85 most of the original developers probably dead.
- nameoda 3y agoWhat was the Casey Muratori incident?
- peteradio 3y agoAssume its related to this: https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 It's nothing serious just microsoft engineers writing slow as shit code and reacting poorly to someone trying to help.
- wredue 3y agoMicrosoft’s new terminal application rendered text extremely slowly, like 10 minutes to cat 1gb of text slow. Casey submitted a bug saying that it’s slow and should be much much faster. Microsoft responded something like “text is hard … … phd dissertation on rendering text” Casey made a terminal renderer with more features than Microsoft’s renderer in a weekend, it performed orders of magnitude faster, had zero optimization work performed and he jokingly (and hilariously) titled the video “a phd dissertation”. Next, the excuse parade rolled in and came up with all manner of excuses as to why Muratoris renderer was so much faster, so he made a follow up video addressing the excuse parade, as well as containing some very minor optimization. Also note that Casey’s implementation isn’t even as fast as things could be. His optimizations are minor. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEMXAbCVnmY6zCgpCFlgggRkrp0tpWfrn https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEMXAbCVnmY6zCgpCFlgggR...
- rkaregaran 3y agoEdge started as a reffreshing take on a chromium-based browser, then they regressed to absolute early 2000s bloatware-Microsoft. I was an avid user for about 4 years. Now I avoid it like the plague, except for their awesome “Read Aloud” feature. Can’t recommend Arc browser enough, it’s a browser built with craft and designed to streamline modern workflows.
- userbinator 3y agoNo, Edge started as an attempt to make a better browser engine. Then MS gave up and it became another Chrome-clone before acquiring its own brand of user-hostility.
- maxerickson 3y agoThe initial version wasn't based on Chromium.
- giancarlostoro 3y agoAs soon as whatever team turned Windows into bloat spyware gets a hold of a project at Microsoft all bets are off. Marketing / Telemetry Driven Development is the bane of good software. They took the lesson of screwing up colossally on Windows 8 and decided to spy on everything to make sure they don't make the same mistake, and with every change that they justify by "more people are joining" I'm inching closer to becoming a Mac / Linux absolutist. If .NET wasn't my bread and butter I'd be on Linux permanently.
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- rabbits_2002 3y agoMicrosoft might as well say “eat shit peasant <3”
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- charcircuit 3y agoSome random social media manager is not Microsoft.
- blibble 3y agothey're part of the PR team, their job is to literally represent the company to the public
- menshiki 3y agoWhat sane person would willingly use Microsoft's software?
- sys_64738 3y agoBillions of people.
- blibble 3y agodo they willingly use it? having IT provide Windows, Edge and Outlook installed on some awful underspecced HP box doesn't count
- sys_64738 3y agoMost regular folk use the tools that come with the computer. That means running Microsoft.
- userbinator 3y agoThe question is whether they would choose something else if given the choice.
- sys_64738 3y agoProbably not as better the devil you know. The alternative is scary to most.
- whoknew1122 3y agoMost probably won't. I think you're greatly overestimating the technical chops of the average PC user.
- menshiki 3y agoExactly. Most office workers don't really have a choice. Someone in the corporate hierarchy decided to get the Office 365 subscription because that way everything would come bundled up together.
- brap 3y agoI just really hate how brands use twitter to show their “character”
- peteradio 3y agoWell microsofts brand is "corporate pirate lawyers" the character shown here is just some asshole who will likely be fired for this or some other stupidity, two different things.
- brap 3y agoI think you’re giving them too much credit. More likely they have some PR think-tank that came up with the idea to tweet like the cool kids in an attempt to rebrand the company >Hey look, we’re not really corporate pirate lawyers! We tweet just like you, fellow kids! on god we deadass bussin fr no cap
- AraceliHarker 3y agoWho would prefer to use Edge, which has more telemetry than Chrome and more bloatware than Firefox?
- sgift 3y agoIt was for a while the only browser on Windows which allowed 4k Netflix and it was faster for me for a while than Firefox. But I'm still back to FF, just for the "we need something else than Chrome engine browsers" reason. Also, it's fast again here. Yay. Probably some support for codecs was added or it was just a few bad builds. Also, Edge has left side tabs without the top tab bar, which Firefox still hasn't allowed again without hacks in modern extensions. Hate.
- jerrygoyal 3y agowhat's the source behind 'edge has more telemetry than chrome?"
- wilg 3y agoWhat does the "x" button do?
- blibble 3y agofor the Windows 10 "upgrade" it was deemed as consent to install
- jSully24 3y agoSeems the tweet has been deleted.
- outside1234 3y agoLegal had some edits :)
- TheBozzCL 3y agoMan, what on Earth has happened to Microsoft? It’s not just Edge, Windows is a disaster too. I just got a new laptop, and I was surprised by the sheer amount of bloat (widgets, notifications, crappy Bing AI integration, Edge, etc). It took me a whole afternoon of delving into the registry and group policy editors to clean things up. (EDIT: forgot to mention) And then I started getting a “totally not marketing” “this is a series of welcome emails” spam with no unsubscribe links. I really want to switch back to Linux. The only thing stopping me is the lack of HDR display support.
- esafak 3y agoYou seem to have only witnessed the Nadella era. Those of us who have been around longer will confirm that the leopard has not changed its spots.
- devnullbrain 3y ago>notifications Nobody at Microsoft pays attention to these. I'm sure of it. It's the only way to explain why, upon clicking the [x] of a notification, it remains in the notification widget. Surely they - like all the rest of us - are just letting that number above the button tick up and up until the next restart. If they're going to shoehorn phone features into their desktop OS, do it properly! Once they've fixed this, they can get started on fixing Modern Standby.
- acdha 3y agoThis is the Microsoft of the 1980s, 90s, and 2000s winning out over the 2010s shift to actually building good products. I don’t know what changed at the executive level but it really looks like the old guard is back.
- userbinator 3y agoTo be honest, the "old Microsoft" made better products --- or at least wasn't as focused on invasive user-hostility as now. You can easily find the installation media for older versions of MS-DOS and Windows, as well as other MS products; and try them out in a VM to see what the experience back then was like. You can even do it in a browser now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38376731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38376731
- dsp_person 3y agoPlaying with Windows 11 on a laptop after being exclusively on KDE+Wayland and using Vivaldi, surprisingly I'm enjoying using Edge. Love the vertical tabs without needing any extensions. No crashes or struggles with accelerated graphics. And the "read aloud" selection and quality of voices is pretty impressive. The Vivaldi new release has a session manager and workspace rules which might keep my main setup there for now. I think it's the only other game in town with vertical tabs, unless that Arc browser gets windows/linux availability
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoYeah I think Edge uses neutral voices for TTS. They work in its iOS app as well!
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoNeural*
- dissident_coder 3y agoArc for windows is in private beta. I don’t know if they have a Linux version in the cards.
- dumbfounder 3y agoI think that response is hilarious. Tongue-in-cheek recognition that it’s bullshit.
- gedy 3y agoI feel dumb, but I don't get their response or why it's hilarious. It's just wrong?
- dumbfounder 3y agoSo’s your face.
- wkat4242 3y agoSo what is the "never" button then? The little X in the top right corner perhaps? Dark patterns indeed.
- userbinator 3y agoGiven what I've seen from MS, it's more likely that X means agree.
- alephxyz 3y agoOr "disable until next windows update then silently re-enable it and claim it's a bug if you get caught"
- wkat4242 3y agoThis is what I hate the most about edge. I wouldn't use it even if it were the best browser around, just because they keep trying to cram it down my throat. Make a product that's so good it speaks for itself and spreads like wildfire through word of mouth. That's what doing a good job is.
- joeman1000 3y agoGod I’m glad Apple exists
- angoragoats 3y agoApple is worse; MacOS is slowly becoming the locked-down hellscape of iOS. If Apple had its way with MacOS, not only would you not be able to uninstall their browser, but you also wouldn’t be allowed to install any alternative browsers.
- prepend 3y agoSafari never bugs me like this. macOS (and iOS) don’t have ads or bloatware. They are totally different from windows. Not perfect, but way better.
- angoragoats 3y ago> macOS (and iOS) don’t have ads or bloatware. I beg to differ. I get prompted on iOS to upgrade my iCloud storage regularly, thanks in part to the completely nonsensical way that you manage storing messages in iOS. There is no way to disable this behavior. And on macOS, every time I press “play” on my wireless headphones when no media is playing, Apple Music opens and prompts me to subscribe.
- proc0 3y agoIt's a different product because it's coupled with the hardware.
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoTangential question: Is there a utility than can get rid of Microsoft’s pesky defaults and useless functionalities like widgets via tweaks done to gpedit and registry?
- WomenLover 3y agosame thing with android studio where google doesn't give an option to never send usage data to it (yeah, i know its that it most likely spies in some other way, but whatever). and every launch i have to say "maybe later"
- pjmlp 3y agoUnfortunely this is the kind of stuff that kills .NET adoption outside Windows ecosystem.