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Thanks for telling me about this. It's definitely not acceptable to appropriate such sensitive data without consent.

by thijsvandien 3y ago

grok25 3y ago
It’s not being appropriated. It’s E2EE. It’s a bug, but nothing more.
- turbidimeter 3y ago
  Doesn't feel like a bug to me. After disabling iCloud Passwords I see a big nag in the Passwords menu asking me to enable it again; I don't remember that there on iOS 16. And when it was enabled there was a nag for Passkeys or password family sharing or something like that. I guess they want people to use that now. Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. iMessage is another one that iOS loves to enable again. I just checked: it's enabled again. Turned it off. And the one with Bluetooth that lapcat mentioned. I don't believe these things to be bugs. But they really crossed the line for me with Passwords.
  - grok25 3y ago
    > Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. Seems like a generic bug in the settings system which is fairly complex. Pretty easy to see how something like that could happen.
    - robcohen 3y ago
      I agree. It’s easy to see how a user hostile setting would go unchecked by a large corporate company that doesn’t benefit from protecting the privacy of its users.
      - grok25 3y ago
        That’s a weird conspiracy theory. How does anyone figure Apple benefits from this. How is the setting even ‘user hostile’?
        rkagerer 3y ago
        I consider sending anything up to the cloud without user's consent is pretty hostile. Passwords especially. I don't care if they claim it's E2EE; programmers and implementations are fallible and I thought a key part of Apple's whole value proposition is it's supposed to retain control in the user's hands.
        funcDropShadow 3y ago
        > I consider sending anything up to the cloud without user's consent is pretty hostile. If not illegal.
    - Kbelicius 3y ago
      Do these "generic bugs" ever happen the other way around? Meaning, do they ever disable any form of communication to Apple or are they always enabling?
- aborsy 3y ago
  Nobody at this big corporation tested the settings before shipping? It should probably require FaceID and some steps. That said, if you enable E2EE I don’t think it’s cause for much concern. You already use their closed source OS.

Thanks for telling me about this. It's definitely not acceptable to appropriate such sensitive data without consent.

grok25 3y ago

It’s not being appropriated. It’s E2EE. It’s a bug, but nothing more.

turbidimeter 3y ago
Doesn't feel like a bug to me. After disabling iCloud Passwords I see a big nag in the Passwords menu asking me to enable it again; I don't remember that there on iOS 16. And when it was enabled there was a nag for Passkeys or password family sharing or something like that. I guess they want people to use that now. Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. iMessage is another one that iOS loves to enable again. I just checked: it's enabled again. Turned it off. And the one with Bluetooth that lapcat mentioned. I don't believe these things to be bugs. But they really crossed the line for me with Passwords.
- grok25 3y ago
  > Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. Seems like a generic bug in the settings system which is fairly complex. Pretty easy to see how something like that could happen.
  - robcohen 3y ago
    I agree. It’s easy to see how a user hostile setting would go unchecked by a large corporate company that doesn’t benefit from protecting the privacy of its users.
    - grok25 3y ago
      That’s a weird conspiracy theory. How does anyone figure Apple benefits from this. How is the setting even ‘user hostile’?
      - rkagerer 3y ago
        I consider sending anything up to the cloud without user's consent is pretty hostile. Passwords especially. I don't care if they claim it's E2EE; programmers and implementations are fallible and I thought a key part of Apple's whole value proposition is it's supposed to retain control in the user's hands.
        funcDropShadow 3y ago
        > I consider sending anything up to the cloud without user's consent is pretty hostile. If not illegal.
  - Kbelicius 3y ago
    Do these "generic bugs" ever happen the other way around? Meaning, do they ever disable any form of communication to Apple or are they always enabling?
aborsy 3y ago
Nobody at this big corporation tested the settings before shipping? It should probably require FaceID and some steps. That said, if you enable E2EE I don’t think it’s cause for much concern. You already use their closed source OS.