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What are they stealing?

meepmorp 3y ago
Theft of services, since Apple owns and maintains the iMessage system that Beeper is trying to use without compensating them (despite charging their own users for that access).
- dylan604 3y ago
  This is where Beeper 100% loses me in this fight. If you're using a 3rd party service as the backbone of your system that you turn around and charge people for, that's just total bullshit business plan. If you're doing this as a free service, I'd be much more interested. If you have a for-profit business, you need to be paying for the 3rd party thing that makes you possible.
doublerabbit 3y ago
Profits. By allowing Android <--> Apple communication, Apple has potential "loses" as they loose their lock in ability of forcing people buying a new iPhone for Christmas. iPhone $800, Android $200. If an Android can do what iPhone can do on the messaging front there's no purpose in buying an iPhone.
- tremon 3y ago
  You can't steal profits, it's an abstract concept.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  In other words, they are stealing Apple's monopoly? And that's a problem...why?
- aalimov_ 3y ago
  Just want to point out that you can get a brand new iPhone (in the US) for $429 (+ tax), and often times you can get it even cheaper if you trade in or accept carrier deals. I dont think that iMessage is the only sticky property of the iPhone. Things like long term support via updates is another big one. The “ecosystem” of devices and services. Comparable devices cost pretty much the same whether iPhone or Android. While most people may not care it’s also worth noting that the alternative OS (Android) is operated by one of the largest ad-tech companies in the world and allows for deep oem integrations of 3rd party applications (that 99.9% of its users aren’t even aware of as being installed.)
  - albert180 3y ago
    You can get a brand new Android for 80-100$. What's the point?
    - aalimov_ 3y ago
      My intention was to point out that the price gap wasn’t as great as it was made out to be. What part of my response can I clarify?
- recursive 3y ago
  Is the grocery store stealing profits from the other grocery store next door? This is a ridiculous concept. Maybe that was your point?
chrisbrandow 3y ago
Their messaging service.

Theft of services, since Apple owns and maintains the iMessage system that Beeper is trying to use without compensating them (despite charging their own users for that access).

dylan604 3y ago
This is where Beeper 100% loses me in this fight. If you're using a 3rd party service as the backbone of your system that you turn around and charge people for, that's just total bullshit business plan. If you're doing this as a free service, I'd be much more interested. If you have a for-profit business, you need to be paying for the 3rd party thing that makes you possible.

doublerabbit 3y ago

Profits. By allowing Android <--> Apple communication, Apple has potential "loses" as they loose their lock in ability of forcing people buying a new iPhone for Christmas. iPhone $800, Android $200. If an Android can do what iPhone can do on the messaging front there's no purpose in buying an iPhone.

tremon 3y ago
You can't steal profits, it's an abstract concept.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
In other words, they are stealing Apple's monopoly? And that's a problem...why?
aalimov_ 3y ago
Just want to point out that you can get a brand new iPhone (in the US) for $429 (+ tax), and often times you can get it even cheaper if you trade in or accept carrier deals. I dont think that iMessage is the only sticky property of the iPhone. Things like long term support via updates is another big one. The “ecosystem” of devices and services. Comparable devices cost pretty much the same whether iPhone or Android. While most people may not care it’s also worth noting that the alternative OS (Android) is operated by one of the largest ad-tech companies in the world and allows for deep oem integrations of 3rd party applications (that 99.9% of its users aren’t even aware of as being installed.)
- albert180 3y ago
  You can get a brand new Android for 80-100$. What's the point?
  - aalimov_ 3y ago
    My intention was to point out that the price gap wasn’t as great as it was made out to be. What part of my response can I clarify?
recursive 3y ago
Is the grocery store stealing profits from the other grocery store next door? This is a ridiculous concept. Maybe that was your point?

chrisbrandow 3y ago

Their messaging service.