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by _7il4 3y ago

latchkey 3y ago
ROCm is open source. and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVl25BbczLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVl25BbczLI
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mepian 3y ago
How’s SYCL proprietary exactly?
latchkey 3y ago
What _7il4 removed were these two comments: "AMD is not serious, and neither is Intel for that matter. Their software are piles of proprietary garbage fires. They may say they are serious but literally nothing indicates they are." "Yes, and ROCm also doesn't work on anything non-AMD. In fact it doesn't even work on all recent AMD gpus. T"
- frognumber 3y ago
  It's not too polite to repost what people removed. Errors on the internet shouldn't haunt people forever. However, my experience is that the comments about AMD are spot-on, with the exception of the word "proprietary." Intel hasn't gotten serious yet, and has a good track record in other domains (compilers, numerical libraries, etc.). They've been flailing for a while, but I'm curious if they'll come up with something okay.
  - latchkey 3y ago
    Normally, I wouldn't do that, but this time I felt like both comments were intentionally inflammatory and then the context for my response was lost. "literally nothing" is also wrong given that they just had a large press announcement on Dec 6th (yt as part of my response below), where they spent 2 hours saying (and showing) they are serious. The second comment was made and then immediately deleted, in a way that was to send me a message directly. It is what irked me enough to post their comments back.
    - _7il4 3y ago
      I deleted it because I was in an extremely bad mood and later realized it was simply wrong of me to post it and vent my unrelated frustration in those comments. I think it's in extremely bad taste to repost what I wrote when I made the clear choice to delete it.
      - FeepingCreature 3y ago
        If you didn't say it, the rocks would cry out. Personally, I'll believe AMD is maybe serious about Rocm if they make it a year without breaking their Debian repository.
      - latchkey 3y ago
        You're right. I apologize. I've emailed dang to ask him to remove this whole thread.
      - dang 3y ago
        (Posting here because I don't have an email address for you.) I reassigned your comments in this thread to a random user ID, so it's as if you had used a throwaway account to post them and there's no link to your main account. I also updated the reference to your username in another comment. Does that work for you?
  - eyegor 3y ago
    As a long time user of intels scientific compiler/accelerator stack, I'm not sure if I'd call it a "good track record". Once you get all their libs working they tend to be fairly well optimized but they're always a huge hassle to install, configure, and distribute. And when I say a hassle to install, I'm talking about hours to run their installers. They have a track record of taking open projects, adding proprietary extensions, and then requiring those extensions to work with other tools. This sounds fine, but they are very slow/never update the base libs. From version to version they'll muck with deep dependencies, sometimes they'll even ship different rules on different platforms (I dare you to try to static link openmp in a recent version of oneapi targeting windows). If you ship a few tools (let's say A and B) that use the same dynamic lib, it's a royal pain to make sure they don't conflict with each other if you update software A but not B. Ranting about consumer junk aside, their cluster focused tooling on Linux tends to be quite good, especially compared to amd.
  - Qwertious 3y ago
    >It's not too polite to repost what people removed. Errors on the internet shouldn't haunt people forever. IMO the comment deletion system handles deleting your own comment wrong - it should grey out the comment and strikethrough it, and label it "comment disavowed" or something with the username removed, but it shouldn't actually delete the comment. Deleting the comment damages the history, and makes the comment chain hard to follow.
    - frognumber 3y ago
      I'm not sure history should be sacred. In the world of science, this is important, but otherwise, we didn't used to live in a universe where every embarrassing thing we did in middle school would haunt us in our old age. I feel bad for the younger generation. Privacy is important, and more so than "the history."
      - code_biologist 3y ago
        Long ago, under a different account, I emailed dang about removing some comment content that became too identifying only years after the comments in question. He did so and was very gracious about it. dang, you're cool af and you make HN a great place!
        krapp 3y ago
        You're being very obsequious about having to personally get approval from a moderator to do on your behalf something every other forum lets you do on your own by default.
        frognumber 3y ago
        Plus, dang does a good job. Not a perfect job -- everyone screws up once in a while -- but this forum works better than most.
        code_biologist 3y ago
        Our ancestor commenter Qwertious wants a maximally immutable comment history and you advocate a maximally mutable comment history. Who's right? There's a wide range of acceptable answers. Don't participate in a forum if you don't like their policy. Measured by overall forum quality HN has a decent enough approach.

by _7il4 3y ago

latchkey 3y ago

ROCm is open source. and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVl25BbczLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVl25BbczLI

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mepian 3y ago

How’s SYCL proprietary exactly?

latchkey 3y ago

What _7il4 removed were these two comments: "AMD is not serious, and neither is Intel for that matter. Their software are piles of proprietary garbage fires. They may say they are serious but literally nothing indicates they are." "Yes, and ROCm also doesn't work on anything non-AMD. In fact it doesn't even work on all recent AMD gpus. T"

frognumber 3y ago
It's not too polite to repost what people removed. Errors on the internet shouldn't haunt people forever. However, my experience is that the comments about AMD are spot-on, with the exception of the word "proprietary." Intel hasn't gotten serious yet, and has a good track record in other domains (compilers, numerical libraries, etc.). They've been flailing for a while, but I'm curious if they'll come up with something okay.
- latchkey 3y ago
  Normally, I wouldn't do that, but this time I felt like both comments were intentionally inflammatory and then the context for my response was lost. "literally nothing" is also wrong given that they just had a large press announcement on Dec 6th (yt as part of my response below), where they spent 2 hours saying (and showing) they are serious. The second comment was made and then immediately deleted, in a way that was to send me a message directly. It is what irked me enough to post their comments back.
  - _7il4 3y ago
    I deleted it because I was in an extremely bad mood and later realized it was simply wrong of me to post it and vent my unrelated frustration in those comments. I think it's in extremely bad taste to repost what I wrote when I made the clear choice to delete it.
    - FeepingCreature 3y ago
      If you didn't say it, the rocks would cry out. Personally, I'll believe AMD is maybe serious about Rocm if they make it a year without breaking their Debian repository.
    - latchkey 3y ago
      You're right. I apologize. I've emailed dang to ask him to remove this whole thread.
    - dang 3y ago
      (Posting here because I don't have an email address for you.) I reassigned your comments in this thread to a random user ID, so it's as if you had used a throwaway account to post them and there's no link to your main account. I also updated the reference to your username in another comment. Does that work for you?
- eyegor 3y ago
  As a long time user of intels scientific compiler/accelerator stack, I'm not sure if I'd call it a "good track record". Once you get all their libs working they tend to be fairly well optimized but they're always a huge hassle to install, configure, and distribute. And when I say a hassle to install, I'm talking about hours to run their installers. They have a track record of taking open projects, adding proprietary extensions, and then requiring those extensions to work with other tools. This sounds fine, but they are very slow/never update the base libs. From version to version they'll muck with deep dependencies, sometimes they'll even ship different rules on different platforms (I dare you to try to static link openmp in a recent version of oneapi targeting windows). If you ship a few tools (let's say A and B) that use the same dynamic lib, it's a royal pain to make sure they don't conflict with each other if you update software A but not B. Ranting about consumer junk aside, their cluster focused tooling on Linux tends to be quite good, especially compared to amd.
- Qwertious 3y ago
  >It's not too polite to repost what people removed. Errors on the internet shouldn't haunt people forever. IMO the comment deletion system handles deleting your own comment wrong - it should grey out the comment and strikethrough it, and label it "comment disavowed" or something with the username removed, but it shouldn't actually delete the comment. Deleting the comment damages the history, and makes the comment chain hard to follow.
  - frognumber 3y ago
    I'm not sure history should be sacred. In the world of science, this is important, but otherwise, we didn't used to live in a universe where every embarrassing thing we did in middle school would haunt us in our old age. I feel bad for the younger generation. Privacy is important, and more so than "the history."
    - code_biologist 3y ago
      Long ago, under a different account, I emailed dang about removing some comment content that became too identifying only years after the comments in question. He did so and was very gracious about it. dang, you're cool af and you make HN a great place!
      - krapp 3y ago
        You're being very obsequious about having to personally get approval from a moderator to do on your behalf something every other forum lets you do on your own by default.
        frognumber 3y ago
        Plus, dang does a good job. Not a perfect job -- everyone screws up once in a while -- but this forum works better than most.
        code_biologist 3y ago
        Our ancestor commenter Qwertious wants a maximally immutable comment history and you advocate a maximally mutable comment history. Who's right? There's a wide range of acceptable answers. Don't participate in a forum if you don't like their policy. Measured by overall forum quality HN has a decent enough approach.