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Let me make sure I understand your position. Are you saying that if this bill becomes law, consumption of porn among minors will not decrease?

by 99_00 3y ago

starburst 3y ago
Isn't it obvious it won't? Unless they go full-on China firewall style there will always be website readily available that won't enforce that crap and kids will find them easily.
- 99_00 3y ago
  The sites would be more difficult to find than they are now. Making it more difficult means it will happen less often.
kelnos 3y ago
Not meaningfully. If a kid wants to find porn, they'll find porn. These sorts of measures are ultimately ineffective at blocking everything, and if there's even one thing that slips through, even if only for a little while, that's enough.
- 99_00 3y ago
  Accessing porn will be more difficult and require more effort. When things are more difficult and require more effort people do it less. Especially vices.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    For the sake of discussion I’ll grant you porn is a vice but that is definitely just your opinion. Isn’t this bill supposed to “protect children”? Accessing porn isn’t illegal for adults. If the debate is about restricting access to a legal “vice” then opinions will likely shift even farther to the “no” side. I agree imposing puritanical beliefs is the actual motivation but that’s not a great slogan.
    - 99_00 3y ago
      >Isn’t this bill supposed to “protect children”? Yes. >Accessing porn isn’t illegal for adults. Correct. Porn isn't illegal for adults now, nor will it be illegal if the bill becomes law. >If the debate is about restricting access to a legal “vice” It isn't. >I agree imposing puritanical beliefs is the actual motivation I don't agree. You're blowing a single word out of proportion.
mulmen 3y ago
Correct. The Streisand Effect suggests it might even increase interest.
bccdee 3y ago
Banning children from using the internet at all would decrease porn consumption among minors. That doesn't make it a good idea. Although, frankly, it would be more effective AND less of a privacy violation than the ID law would be.

Let me make sure I understand your position. Are you saying that if this bill becomes law, consumption of porn among minors will not decrease?

by 99_00 3y ago

Let me make sure I understand your position. Are you saying that if this bill becomes law, consumption of porn among minors will not decrease?

starburst 3y ago

Isn't it obvious it won't? Unless they go full-on China firewall style there will always be website readily available that won't enforce that crap and kids will find them easily.

99_00 3y ago
The sites would be more difficult to find than they are now. Making it more difficult means it will happen less often.

kelnos 3y ago

Not meaningfully. If a kid wants to find porn, they'll find porn. These sorts of measures are ultimately ineffective at blocking everything, and if there's even one thing that slips through, even if only for a little while, that's enough.

99_00 3y ago
Accessing porn will be more difficult and require more effort. When things are more difficult and require more effort people do it less. Especially vices.
- mulmen 3y ago
  For the sake of discussion I’ll grant you porn is a vice but that is definitely just your opinion. Isn’t this bill supposed to “protect children”? Accessing porn isn’t illegal for adults. If the debate is about restricting access to a legal “vice” then opinions will likely shift even farther to the “no” side. I agree imposing puritanical beliefs is the actual motivation but that’s not a great slogan.
  - 99_00 3y ago
    >Isn’t this bill supposed to “protect children”? Yes. >Accessing porn isn’t illegal for adults. Correct. Porn isn't illegal for adults now, nor will it be illegal if the bill becomes law. >If the debate is about restricting access to a legal “vice” It isn't. >I agree imposing puritanical beliefs is the actual motivation I don't agree. You're blowing a single word out of proportion.

mulmen 3y ago

Correct. The Streisand Effect suggests it might even increase interest.

bccdee 3y ago

Banning children from using the internet at all would decrease porn consumption among minors. That doesn't make it a good idea. Although, frankly, it would be more effective AND less of a privacy violation than the ID law would be.