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BUT THEN IF ALL-UPPERCASE WERE THE HISTORICAL DEFAULT, WHY DID MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD SWITCH TO USING NEARLY ALL LOWERCASE? AND WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING -

BUT THEN IF ALL-UPPERCASE WERE THE HISTORICAL DEFAULT, WHY DID MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD SWITCH TO USING NEARLY ALL LOWERCASE? AND WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS?

kjellsbells 3y ago
Because the distance between text and reader shortened after the arrival of the printing press. In Roman and pre Gutenberg eras, text was inscribed, eg on monuments. The reader might be a casual gawker, or someone at the base of a tower, or generally someone who could not be assumed to be in a position to engage closely with the text. Once print became widespread, that changed and the superior readability of mixed case won out- it was faster and easier to read. All caps was reserved for things that had to be consumable at speed, at distance and in short chunks, like newspaper headlines and mass media posters. Over time the use of upper case became synonymous with IMPORTANT and since shouting people inherently think their message is important, they used upper case too.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  What of COBOL code?
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    COBOL code is an interesting case, actually. One key reason why early computer languages were either verbose or cryptic is that they had very few standard symbols and punctuation to play with. It's why COBOL still has syntax like DIVIDE X INTO Y GIVING Z - you might not have a standard forward slash or divide symbol in your character set. Also why PASCAL (drawing from early ALGOL) went with BEGIN and END markers as opposed to the later use of braces.
danans 3y ago
> WHY DID MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD SWITCH TO USING NEARLY ALL LOWERCASE It's easier to handwrite than with all Latin capitals. Also, the greater variation in size of characters makes it easier to read at higher text densities, like on the printed or written page. And from there, it spread mostly via imitation of style. If you look at most of the scripts in the world that don't have upper/lowercase distinction, they tend to be far less blocky than uppercase Latin script, and more like lowercase. > AND WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS? Because we are trained to interpret all-uppercase today as form of emphasis. Emphasizing everything, especially when it's not necessary, indicates a lack of social awareness. It would be similarly socially awkward to end every sentence in an exclamation mark.
trealira 3y ago
I'm pretty sure lowercase letters originated with the creation of the Carolingian miniscule script[1]. I had heard/read that it was created as a unification of handwriting under the Carolingian empire, but that may be untrue[2]: “The use of the new script makes an experimental impression,” says the Latin scholar. “They were trying it out. In the Middle Ages a script like this was not just invented, as is the case today. It was developed as part of the living tradition of a scriptorium. In the 8th century Corbie was something akin to a laboratory for new scripts.” This is another point that militates against the idea propounded by many popular history books that in the framework of his cultural and educational policies Charlemagne more or less commissioned the devising of the minuscule with a view to creating a uniform, readily legible script. Prior to that, people wrote in uncial and half-uncial. The distinction between majuscule and miniscule letters wasn't there yet, but already then, they were enlarging and decorating letters at the beginning of the sentence back then. See this image on Wikipedia for an example[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKellsFol309r.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKe... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule [2]: https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/presse/news2013/pm20130109_minuskel_en.html https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/presse/news2013/pm20130109_min... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKellsFol309r.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKe...
quartesixte 3y ago
I like to also imagine that since telegrams were supposed to be short and direct, it was the written equivalent of yelling over a bullhorn. Anything more eloquent would be written by hand in proper casing (and cursive)
p1mrx 3y ago
ALL CAPS IS A BIT LESS JARRING IF YOU USE 40 COLUMNS AND A FIXED WIDTH FONT. HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS?
- speterDev 3y ago
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- preisschild 3y ago
  GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKEN
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
It's only jarring if the rest of the context is not all caps. Precisely zero people in the 80s complained that their VCR is shouting at them because its display is all caps letters. Also in older computers, fonts were designed for all caps text. And it was fine: https://www.leucht.com/photos-new/var/resizes/appleiie/30.JPG?m=1440971824 https://www.leucht.com/photos-new/var/resizes/appleiie/30.JP...
wruza 3y ago
WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS? Because you learned that, and it’s relatively new. Like full stops in text messages.
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BUT THEN IF ALL-UPPERCASE WERE THE HISTORICAL DEFAULT, WHY DID MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD SWITCH TO USING NEARLY ALL LOWERCASE? AND WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS?

kjellsbells 3y ago

Because the distance between text and reader shortened after the arrival of the printing press. In Roman and pre Gutenberg eras, text was inscribed, eg on monuments. The reader might be a casual gawker, or someone at the base of a tower, or generally someone who could not be assumed to be in a position to engage closely with the text. Once print became widespread, that changed and the superior readability of mixed case won out- it was faster and easier to read. All caps was reserved for things that had to be consumable at speed, at distance and in short chunks, like newspaper headlines and mass media posters. Over time the use of upper case became synonymous with IMPORTANT and since shouting people inherently think their message is important, they used upper case too.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
What of COBOL code?
- zozbot234 3y ago
  COBOL code is an interesting case, actually. One key reason why early computer languages were either verbose or cryptic is that they had very few standard symbols and punctuation to play with. It's why COBOL still has syntax like DIVIDE X INTO Y GIVING Z - you might not have a standard forward slash or divide symbol in your character set. Also why PASCAL (drawing from early ALGOL) went with BEGIN and END markers as opposed to the later use of braces.

danans 3y ago

> WHY DID MOST OF THE WESTERN WORLD SWITCH TO USING NEARLY ALL LOWERCASE It's easier to handwrite than with all Latin capitals. Also, the greater variation in size of characters makes it easier to read at higher text densities, like on the printed or written page. And from there, it spread mostly via imitation of style. If you look at most of the scripts in the world that don't have upper/lowercase distinction, they tend to be far less blocky than uppercase Latin script, and more like lowercase. > AND WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS? Because we are trained to interpret all-uppercase today as form of emphasis. Emphasizing everything, especially when it's not necessary, indicates a lack of social awareness. It would be similarly socially awkward to end every sentence in an exclamation mark.

trealira 3y ago

I'm pretty sure lowercase letters originated with the creation of the Carolingian miniscule script[1]. I had heard/read that it was created as a unification of handwriting under the Carolingian empire, but that may be untrue[2]: “The use of the new script makes an experimental impression,” says the Latin scholar. “They were trying it out. In the Middle Ages a script like this was not just invented, as is the case today. It was developed as part of the living tradition of a scriptorium. In the 8th century Corbie was something akin to a laboratory for new scripts.” This is another point that militates against the idea propounded by many popular history books that in the framework of his cultural and educational policies Charlemagne more or less commissioned the devising of the minuscule with a view to creating a uniform, readily legible script. Prior to that, people wrote in uncial and half-uncial. The distinction between majuscule and miniscule letters wasn't there yet, but already then, they were enlarging and decorating letters at the beginning of the sentence back then. See this image on Wikipedia for an example[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKellsFol309r.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKe... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_minuscule [2]: https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/presse/news2013/pm20130109_minuskel_en.html https://www.uni-heidelberg.de/presse/news2013/pm20130109_min... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKellsFol309r.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_script#/media/File%3AKe...

quartesixte 3y ago

I like to also imagine that since telegrams were supposed to be short and direct, it was the written equivalent of yelling over a bullhorn. Anything more eloquent would be written by hand in proper casing (and cursive)

p1mrx 3y ago

ALL CAPS IS A BIT LESS JARRING IF YOU USE 40 COLUMNS AND A FIXED WIDTH FONT. HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS?

speterDev 3y ago
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preisschild 3y ago
GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKEN

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago

It's only jarring if the rest of the context is not all caps. Precisely zero people in the 80s complained that their VCR is shouting at them because its display is all caps letters. Also in older computers, fonts were designed for all caps text. And it was fine: https://www.leucht.com/photos-new/var/resizes/appleiie/30.JPG?m=1440971824 https://www.leucht.com/photos-new/var/resizes/appleiie/30.JP...

wruza 3y ago

WHY DOES IT FEEL SO JARRING - EVEN RUDE - TO USE ALL CAPS? Because you learned that, and it’s relatively new. Like full stops in text messages.

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