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> I'm sorry but there's no way that Subaru EyeSight can "trounce" FSD. I mean that's what literally all of the data shows, e.g.: https://www.caranddriver.com/

> I'm sorry but there's no way that Subaru EyeSight can "trounce" FSD. I mean that's what literally all of the data shows, e.g.: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a24511826/safety-features-automatic-braking-system-tested-explained/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a24511826/safety-featu...

porphyra 3y ago
AEB has nothing to do with self driving or Autopilot.
- Alex3917 3y ago
  It's literally the most foundational part of self driving.
  - porphyra 3y ago
    Not really. 1. the AEB may run on a different codepath than FSD 2. AEB needs to decide when it is appropriate to override the driver, e.g. if the driver is behaving as though they are paying attention, e.g. by repeatedly stepping on the accelerator, it is undesirable to override the driver's deliberate actions even if it appears that the driver is about to run into something. On the other hand, when the car is driving autonomously, it has full control to avoid running into anything at all. Also, instead of trusting unscientific tabloid news with inconsistent methodologies, why not use the standard assisted driving scores from official government tests, such as the Euro NCAP? Teslas score by far the highest. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving-gradings/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving...
    - Veserv 3y ago
      You have made a solid argument for why we should believe the Euro NCAP scores so I will accept their assessment that Tesla is by far the worst. Your link shows Tesla scores 36/100 in assistance competence, the lowest score by far. The second lowest is 52/100 and the average over all models (excluding Tesla) being ~67/100.
      - porphyra 3y ago
        Oh weird haha idk why that link doesn't show the later scores but the Model Y and Model S both score 98/100 in Safety Assist: * https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 * https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+s/47760 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+s/47760 which is by far the highest out of all models tested.
        Veserv 3y ago
        Your original link was to the “Assisted Driving Gradings” which evaluates ADAS systems such as Tesla Autopilot. What you just linked is the AEB (and other collision avoidance/warning) rating and “AEB has nothing to do with self driving or Autopilot” as you said, so is totally irrelevant. So, I stand by your position that we should trust Euro NCAP which means concluding Tesla Autopilot is by far the worst system.
        porphyra 3y ago
        In that "worst system" result it actually scored full marks on Adaptive Cruise Control Performance and got dinged points on subjective points such as "Driving Collaboration". The conclusion states that it excels at driving but the design may cause over-reliance. Since the 2020 test, Tesla has added a lot of new features such as driver monitoring via in-cabin camera which is extremely good at detecting whether I am focused on the road or looking at my phone. For what it's worth, I have lots of experience with both Autopilot (both legacy and FSD) and various cruise control implementations. Tesla is honestly just vastly better.
        Veserv 3y ago
        So, we should “use the standard assisted driving scores from official government tests, such as the Euro NCAP” when you thought “Teslas score by far the highest”, but now you say the test sucks and has lots of methodology problems.

porphyra 3y ago

AEB has nothing to do with self driving or Autopilot.

Alex3917 3y ago
It's literally the most foundational part of self driving.
- porphyra 3y ago
  Not really. 1. the AEB may run on a different codepath than FSD 2. AEB needs to decide when it is appropriate to override the driver, e.g. if the driver is behaving as though they are paying attention, e.g. by repeatedly stepping on the accelerator, it is undesirable to override the driver's deliberate actions even if it appears that the driver is about to run into something. On the other hand, when the car is driving autonomously, it has full control to avoid running into anything at all. Also, instead of trusting unscientific tabloid news with inconsistent methodologies, why not use the standard assisted driving scores from official government tests, such as the Euro NCAP? Teslas score by far the highest. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving-gradings/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving...
  - Veserv 3y ago
    You have made a solid argument for why we should believe the Euro NCAP scores so I will accept their assessment that Tesla is by far the worst. Your link shows Tesla scores 36/100 in assistance competence, the lowest score by far. The second lowest is 52/100 and the average over all models (excluding Tesla) being ~67/100.
    - porphyra 3y ago
      Oh weird haha idk why that link doesn't show the later scores but the Model Y and Model S both score 98/100 in Safety Assist: * https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 * https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+s/47760 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+s/47760 which is by far the highest out of all models tested.
      - Veserv 3y ago
        Your original link was to the “Assisted Driving Gradings” which evaluates ADAS systems such as Tesla Autopilot. What you just linked is the AEB (and other collision avoidance/warning) rating and “AEB has nothing to do with self driving or Autopilot” as you said, so is totally irrelevant. So, I stand by your position that we should trust Euro NCAP which means concluding Tesla Autopilot is by far the worst system.
        porphyra 3y ago
        In that "worst system" result it actually scored full marks on Adaptive Cruise Control Performance and got dinged points on subjective points such as "Driving Collaboration". The conclusion states that it excels at driving but the design may cause over-reliance. Since the 2020 test, Tesla has added a lot of new features such as driver monitoring via in-cabin camera which is extremely good at detecting whether I am focused on the road or looking at my phone. For what it's worth, I have lots of experience with both Autopilot (both legacy and FSD) and various cruise control implementations. Tesla is honestly just vastly better.
        Veserv 3y ago
        So, we should “use the standard assisted driving scores from official government tests, such as the Euro NCAP” when you thought “Teslas score by far the highest”, but now you say the test sucks and has lots of methodology problems.