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To add to this: the two sides in the war are supposedly Israel and Hamas. Can we not agree that either side killing civilians is wrong?

Zetobal 3y ago
Killing in general is wrong.
- pbiggar 3y ago
  Great, seems we agree. So it should stop and we should speak up about it, right?
  - Zetobal 3y ago
    I have no problem with people speaking up just with people that want to be edgy and write a sob story when a opportunity arises. As I said you deciding to speak up now but not about other conflicts says more about you than you think. Do you really not sleep?
    - pbiggar 3y ago
      I don't usually post this sort of "dear diary" thing either, but when there's a US ally doing a genocide, and we in the west have the opportunity to do something about it, I figured it was better to post. Not sure what I can do about the Congo, but if I get some small set of folks in tech to feel like they can criticize this genocide, we have the ability to change US policy. But yeah, I'm not being facetious. I haven't slept properly since Oct 7.
      - Zetobal 3y ago
        Your previous blog posts are still available for everyone to read. To say you don't normally write emotionally loaded is obviously wrong.
        pbiggar 3y ago
        Which one are you thinking? It feels to me this was the first post I've written with real emotion.
        Zetobal 3y ago
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        pbiggar 3y ago
        The bluesky nazi bar one? How is that emotional?
        dang 3y ago
        You've been breaking the site guidelines egregiously in this thread. I understand how inflammatory and painful this topic is, but please don't do any more of that, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. I don't want to ban you, but we have no choice but to ban accounts that keep posting this aggressively. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
jfoweif 3y ago
At the very least call it Israel vs Gaza, calling it just "Hamas" when many gazan civilians are involved does not fit what is happening. Language matters, and in fact I wouldn't even call it Israel vs Gaza, but Zionist Terrorists vs Palestine, because I don't recognize the settler colony "Israel".
- pbiggar 3y ago
  I think by "involved" you mean victims, right? I read that wrong the first time and thought you were making the opposite point. Completely agree that the framing is deliberate and bullshit. When you see what's actually happening, it's hard to believe that they're not actually trying to push Gazans into the sea (or Egypt).
  - jfoweif 3y ago
    The zionists have been trying to ethnically cleanse the palestinians and their leadership has made that very clear. Gazans are involved as victims, but they also support Hamas since that is the only group that stands up for their rights and dares to fight back. You may not agree with them, but I do and completely understand the mindset. The only reason we even talk about Palestine now instead of allowing a slow genocide to happen, is because of the bravery of those men from the resistance who dared to fight back against the oppression. https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-7-hamas-assault-on-israel-the-most-successful-military-raid-of-this-century/ https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-7-hamas-assault-on-israe...
nashadelic 3y ago
You would be surprised how controversial this is. Try saying all civilians should be protected, or should have equal rights. The racist will come and tell you how one side is more important than the other to have the same rights to life, dignity and safety.

Zetobal 3y ago

Killing in general is wrong.

pbiggar 3y ago
Great, seems we agree. So it should stop and we should speak up about it, right?
- Zetobal 3y ago
  I have no problem with people speaking up just with people that want to be edgy and write a sob story when a opportunity arises. As I said you deciding to speak up now but not about other conflicts says more about you than you think. Do you really not sleep?
  - pbiggar 3y ago
    I don't usually post this sort of "dear diary" thing either, but when there's a US ally doing a genocide, and we in the west have the opportunity to do something about it, I figured it was better to post. Not sure what I can do about the Congo, but if I get some small set of folks in tech to feel like they can criticize this genocide, we have the ability to change US policy. But yeah, I'm not being facetious. I haven't slept properly since Oct 7.
    - Zetobal 3y ago
      Your previous blog posts are still available for everyone to read. To say you don't normally write emotionally loaded is obviously wrong.
      - pbiggar 3y ago
        Which one are you thinking? It feels to me this was the first post I've written with real emotion.
        Zetobal 3y ago
        [flagged]
        pbiggar 3y ago
        The bluesky nazi bar one? How is that emotional?
        dang 3y ago
        You've been breaking the site guidelines egregiously in this thread. I understand how inflammatory and painful this topic is, but please don't do any more of that, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. I don't want to ban you, but we have no choice but to ban accounts that keep posting this aggressively. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jfoweif 3y ago

At the very least call it Israel vs Gaza, calling it just "Hamas" when many gazan civilians are involved does not fit what is happening. Language matters, and in fact I wouldn't even call it Israel vs Gaza, but Zionist Terrorists vs Palestine, because I don't recognize the settler colony "Israel".

pbiggar 3y ago
I think by "involved" you mean victims, right? I read that wrong the first time and thought you were making the opposite point. Completely agree that the framing is deliberate and bullshit. When you see what's actually happening, it's hard to believe that they're not actually trying to push Gazans into the sea (or Egypt).
- jfoweif 3y ago
  The zionists have been trying to ethnically cleanse the palestinians and their leadership has made that very clear. Gazans are involved as victims, but they also support Hamas since that is the only group that stands up for their rights and dares to fight back. You may not agree with them, but I do and completely understand the mindset. The only reason we even talk about Palestine now instead of allowing a slow genocide to happen, is because of the bravery of those men from the resistance who dared to fight back against the oppression. https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-7-hamas-assault-on-israel-the-most-successful-military-raid-of-this-century/ https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-7-hamas-assault-on-israe...

nashadelic 3y ago

You would be surprised how controversial this is. Try saying all civilians should be protected, or should have equal rights. The racist will come and tell you how one side is more important than the other to have the same rights to life, dignity and safety.