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I think it's pretty clear what "superintelligence" means, no? Superintelligence: smarter than any human. AGI: as smart as an average human. "As smart" means i

by p1esk 3y ago

I think it's pretty clear what "superintelligence" means, no? Superintelligence: smarter than any human. AGI: as smart as an average human. "As smart" means it can do anything a human can do.

dumbo-octopus 3y ago
> it can do anything a human can do. So it can get up and walk down the street? Not trying to be pedantic, but when one is defining things, one needs to be precise.
- p1esk 3y ago
  Yes, when put in a robotic body.
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    Is the robotic body capable of metabolism, growth, and self-repair?
    - selfhoster11 3y ago
      No. Is a human body that suffers from selected kinds of sickness for that matter? Also no.
      - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        Pardon? Are you saying that because a human can't heal from all kinds of sickness, healing from some kinds isn't "a thing a human can do"?
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        Not every human body is really capable of any of "metabolism, growth, self repair" Do you want a list of the kinds of afflictions that stunt these ? For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent ? What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me.
        dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        > Not every human body is really capable of any of "metabolism, growth, self repair" 99.9% percent of them are, and those that aren't would be considered malformed. > For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent? What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me. You haven't been paying attention to this thread, yet you reply to it? Please reread it, in particular the parent's argument I was responding to. Such context would be helpful to have when responding to me, yes?
  - kweingar 3y ago
    In this case, we are far from AGI
  - BobaFloutist 3y ago
    Ok so that's no "AI" that currently exists then.
    - jcims 3y ago
      Not for long https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1734763060244386074 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1734763060244386074 Boston Dynamics’ Atlas it’s probably a more capable robot at the moment but Optimus will be much better position to act as an embodied agent in the next few years.
      - BobaFloutist 3y ago
        Then the AI isn't going for a walk, the robot is going for a walk. I can currently take an AI for a walk on my laptop, that's not the same as them being able to go for a walk.
    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      >Ok so that's no "AI" that currently exists then. Lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkM0AecxYA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkM0AecxYA This is far from the first of this class of LLM robots too https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/
- huytersd 3y ago
  Is it has a mean of locomotion, yes.
- voiceblue 3y ago
  Indeed, and accepting that definition still fails to include extraterrestrial life. (The way that first sentence is written in TFA made me think of first contact). Anyhow, it’s too late for “AGI” and “superintelligence”, aside from the baggage they also suffer from being in everyone’s domain to do with as they please. Precise terms inherently cannot be abused like this (compare “sore throat” to “acute viral laryngitis”).
- selfhoster11 3y ago
  From my experiments? Given a physical chassis with a high-level API (move one step forward, rotate head, that kind of thing), then yes. Even as early as GPT-3.5 it was starting to become possible, and with GPT-4, it's become quite easy. Someone just needs to put in the elbow grease to glue the components together and patiently wait while it does its thing.
tsunamifury 3y ago
You just defined the word with the same word -- which is what everyone seems to do. Smarter how? Where? Computers are already smarter at math, physics, simulation, etc than humans Generalized smarter? At what? Emotional intelligence? Self preservation? on and on
- p1esk 3y ago
  I mean "smart" in exactly the same way you would use the word when talking about people: "John is smarter than Paul". Or "an average college professor is smarter than an average college student". People use this word assuming others understand what it means. That's my assumption as well.
  - wrs 3y ago
    Interesting. In my experience, I would have said the use of the word “smart” almost invariably results in misunderstandings and biased comparisons. The concept is certainly used in casual conversation, but you can’t do anything serious with it.
eastof 3y ago
Aren't those terms totally meaningless in terms of modern "AI" though? AGI is nowhere near being able to play a violin solo, their fine motor skills are abysmal. The list goes on and on, they also aren't running a bakery, collecting field data for ecological studies, or playing literally any sport any time soon either. The concept of a disembodied system even being "smart" doesn't make sense to me.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  There are literally millions, millions of humans unable to do any of the things you have listed. Do they no longer qualify as general intelligences ?
adastra22 3y ago
No, it’s not clear. There are already many domains where AI is vastly smarter than any human. There are algorithms like GPT which are fully general. So do we already have superhuman AGI today? Most people would object. But it is hard to argue against that on definitions. It usually ends up being “by superintelligence I meant the singularity.” Which really makes this a question about reality matching science fiction…
- p1esk 3y ago
  Smarter than any human in every domain. So no, we don’t have a superhuman AGI yet. And it has nothing to do with singularity.
  - adastra22 3y ago
    Write a script which downloads huggingface models and tries each in turn. Voila, smarter than human in every domain. Ah, but “it can’t fold laundry” you say. When was the last time you heard someone non-ironically describe folding laundry as something requiring human-level intelligence? You are hiding behind the ill defined term “smart” and performing the classic motte and bailey maneuver. If you honestly attempt to match “intelligence” or “smarter than” to its colloquial meaning of “being able to understand things, apply learned knowledge, and solve problems that require thinking” then yes, we have super intelligent AIs, and have had for many years.
    - p1esk 3y ago
      What model should I download that would do my work for me today? I’ll explain the project I’m working on, and will give it full access to the codebase, documentation, Slack, and Zoom so it can find all the context and ask my colleagues and my manager if it needs more info. GPT-4 is obviously not smart enough to do this (I’ve been using it daily since it came out), but it seems like you know of some miracle models on HF which can? Would love to try them out.
      - adastra22 3y ago

by p1esk 3y ago

I think it's pretty clear what "superintelligence" means, no? Superintelligence: smarter than any human. AGI: as smart as an average human. "As smart" means it can do anything a human can do.

dumbo-octopus 3y ago

> it can do anything a human can do. So it can get up and walk down the street? Not trying to be pedantic, but when one is defining things, one needs to be precise.

p1esk 3y ago
Yes, when put in a robotic body.
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  Is the robotic body capable of metabolism, growth, and self-repair?
  - selfhoster11 3y ago
    No. Is a human body that suffers from selected kinds of sickness for that matter? Also no.
    - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
      Pardon? Are you saying that because a human can't heal from all kinds of sickness, healing from some kinds isn't "a thing a human can do"?
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        Not every human body is really capable of any of "metabolism, growth, self repair" Do you want a list of the kinds of afflictions that stunt these ? For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent ? What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me.
        dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        > Not every human body is really capable of any of "metabolism, growth, self repair" 99.9% percent of them are, and those that aren't would be considered malformed. > For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent? What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me. You haven't been paying attention to this thread, yet you reply to it? Please reread it, in particular the parent's argument I was responding to. Such context would be helpful to have when responding to me, yes?
- kweingar 3y ago
  In this case, we are far from AGI
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  Ok so that's no "AI" that currently exists then.
  - jcims 3y ago
    Not for long https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1734763060244386074 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1734763060244386074 Boston Dynamics’ Atlas it’s probably a more capable robot at the moment but Optimus will be much better position to act as an embodied agent in the next few years.
    - BobaFloutist 3y ago
      Then the AI isn't going for a walk, the robot is going for a walk. I can currently take an AI for a walk on my laptop, that's not the same as them being able to go for a walk.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    >Ok so that's no "AI" that currently exists then. Lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkM0AecxYA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkM0AecxYA This is far from the first of this class of LLM robots too https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/ https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/
huytersd 3y ago
Is it has a mean of locomotion, yes.
voiceblue 3y ago
Indeed, and accepting that definition still fails to include extraterrestrial life. (The way that first sentence is written in TFA made me think of first contact). Anyhow, it’s too late for “AGI” and “superintelligence”, aside from the baggage they also suffer from being in everyone’s domain to do with as they please. Precise terms inherently cannot be abused like this (compare “sore throat” to “acute viral laryngitis”).
selfhoster11 3y ago
From my experiments? Given a physical chassis with a high-level API (move one step forward, rotate head, that kind of thing), then yes. Even as early as GPT-3.5 it was starting to become possible, and with GPT-4, it's become quite easy. Someone just needs to put in the elbow grease to glue the components together and patiently wait while it does its thing.

tsunamifury 3y ago

You just defined the word with the same word -- which is what everyone seems to do. Smarter how? Where? Computers are already smarter at math, physics, simulation, etc than humans Generalized smarter? At what? Emotional intelligence? Self preservation? on and on

p1esk 3y ago
I mean "smart" in exactly the same way you would use the word when talking about people: "John is smarter than Paul". Or "an average college professor is smarter than an average college student". People use this word assuming others understand what it means. That's my assumption as well.
- wrs 3y ago
  Interesting. In my experience, I would have said the use of the word “smart” almost invariably results in misunderstandings and biased comparisons. The concept is certainly used in casual conversation, but you can’t do anything serious with it.

eastof 3y ago

Aren't those terms totally meaningless in terms of modern "AI" though? AGI is nowhere near being able to play a violin solo, their fine motor skills are abysmal. The list goes on and on, they also aren't running a bakery, collecting field data for ecological studies, or playing literally any sport any time soon either. The concept of a disembodied system even being "smart" doesn't make sense to me.

famouswaffles 3y ago
There are literally millions, millions of humans unable to do any of the things you have listed. Do they no longer qualify as general intelligences ?

adastra22 3y ago

No, it’s not clear. There are already many domains where AI is vastly smarter than any human. There are algorithms like GPT which are fully general. So do we already have superhuman AGI today? Most people would object. But it is hard to argue against that on definitions. It usually ends up being “by superintelligence I meant the singularity.” Which really makes this a question about reality matching science fiction…

p1esk 3y ago
Smarter than any human in every domain. So no, we don’t have a superhuman AGI yet. And it has nothing to do with singularity.
- adastra22 3y ago
  Write a script which downloads huggingface models and tries each in turn. Voila, smarter than human in every domain. Ah, but “it can’t fold laundry” you say. When was the last time you heard someone non-ironically describe folding laundry as something requiring human-level intelligence? You are hiding behind the ill defined term “smart” and performing the classic motte and bailey maneuver. If you honestly attempt to match “intelligence” or “smarter than” to its colloquial meaning of “being able to understand things, apply learned knowledge, and solve problems that require thinking” then yes, we have super intelligent AIs, and have had for many years.
  - p1esk 3y ago
    What model should I download that would do my work for me today? I’ll explain the project I’m working on, and will give it full access to the codebase, documentation, Slack, and Zoom so it can find all the context and ask my colleagues and my manager if it needs more info. GPT-4 is obviously not smart enough to do this (I’ve been using it daily since it came out), but it seems like you know of some miracle models on HF which can? Would love to try them out.
    - adastra22 3y ago