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How is he a bigot? What has he specifically done that is racist or anti-semetic? I don't care that he called someone a pedophile. He apologized for that: https

How is he a bigot? What has he specifically done that is racist or anti-semetic? I don't care that he called someone a pedophile. He apologized for that: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/elon-musk-apologizes-for-calling-cave-rescue-diver-a-pedo#:~:text=BANGKOK%20%E2%80%94%20Tesla%20and%20SpaceX%20CEO,Unsworth%20to%20Musk's%20latest%20tweets https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/elon-musk-apologizes-for-....

DonHopkins 3y ago
There are uncountably many horrible things I don't need to insincerely issue a non-apology apology for at the insistence of my legal department, because I never did them in the first place. You've got a lot of catching up to do from your 10 year absence from reality. I'm not going to lead you to water because you'll refuse to drink. Go google it for yourself, and stop trolling.
- misiti3780 3y ago
  Exactly the response I was expecting. Throw out some huge accusations, and dont back them up with a single example. Solid work Don! Have a nice day.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    Exactly the response I was expecting from you too, since I just said you were pretending not to know in order to troll, and that confirms it. I don't owe you any examples, because you know very well but are pretending not to know what I'm referring to, you're not a serious person, you're intellectually dishonest, and you're trolling, so your bad faith arguments don't matter, and you don't deserve a response, troll. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  You didn’t answer any of his questions, which are not as ludicrous as your scathing reply implies.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    Read the Jean-Paul Sartre quote below. Let me ChatGPT that for you: This quote is from Jean-Paul Sartre's work "Anti-Semite and Jew" (originally "Réflexions sur la question juive"), written in 1946. In this passage, Sartre analyzes the behavior and motives of anti-Semites. He argues that anti-Semites are aware of the absurdity and frivolity of their arguments. According to Sartre, they engage in such discourse not to persuade through rational debate but to amuse themselves and to disconcert their opponents. They do this by undermining the seriousness of any conversation, thus avoiding genuine discussion. When pressed, they may cease the discussion, indicating that they are above argumentation. This approach, Sartre suggests, is a form of bad faith, a concept he discusses in his existentialist philosophy, referring to acts of self-deception or dishonesty in one's dealings with oneself and others.
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      Can you connect this quote to the conversation at hand?
      - misiti3780 3y ago
        I will save you the time, no they cant.
        DonHopkins 3y ago
        Nice attempt at deflection, but it applies directly to YOU.
Veserv 3y ago
He is guilty (as in they lost this lawsuit for millions in damages) of letting the Fremont, California factory run like this [1]: Robert Hurtado, a supervisor at Tesla, called Diaz the N-word over 30 times, including by saying “[N-word], hurry up,” “[N-words] are lazy,” and “I wish I can get all you [N-words] fired.” Tr. 3:604:23-606:8. Ramon Martinez, another Tesla supervisor, called Diaz the N-word over thirty times, said “I hate you, [N-word],” and told him “to go back to Africa.” Tr. 3-603:11604:20. Diaz's supervisor, Tamotsu “Tom” Kawasaki, testified that Martinez often used the words “mayate” and “chongo,” both racial slurs in Spanish. Tr. 2-281:9-12. Wayne Jackson, a Black program manager at Tesla, confirmed that Martinez used the word “mayate.” Tr. 2-381:17382:7. Martinez denied all of this. Tr. 3-584:18-585:1. Diaz also testified that he complained to Romero several times about being called the N-word. Tr. 3-613:5-14. Romero agreed that he learned Diaz had been complaining about racist conduct, see Tr. 3-542:22-24, 543:13-14, though Romero said Diaz did not complain directly to Romero at least until the Timbreza incident, Tr. 3:561:1-4. Romero testified that he did not personally investigate Diaz's complaints and was specifically told by Tesla to not personally investigate the Timbreza incident. Tr. 3-541:22-542:1, 544:21-545:2, 549:13-550:16. Diaz and Romero both testified that Tesla never fired anyone for using the N-word. Tr. 3-552:10-19, 615:13-15. Jackson testified that the use of the N-word was “[r]ampant,” as in it was used “[e]very day,” “[m]ore than several times a day.” Tr. 2-381:3-15. He found the N-word “[e]xtremely” offensive and “very derogatory” when it was used, regardless of how it was said. Tr. 2-383:15384:2. He said that these words should not be used in a workplace, but that there was “nothing” he could do to stop their use “[b]ecause Tesla allowed it. They didn't stop it.” Tr. 2-384:12-22. [1] https://casetext.com/case/diaz-v-tesla-inc-7 https://casetext.com/case/diaz-v-tesla-inc-7
- misiti3780 3y ago
  That case that focuses on allegations against Tesla as a company, not directly against Musk.

DonHopkins 3y ago

There are uncountably many horrible things I don't need to insincerely issue a non-apology apology for at the insistence of my legal department, because I never did them in the first place. You've got a lot of catching up to do from your 10 year absence from reality. I'm not going to lead you to water because you'll refuse to drink. Go google it for yourself, and stop trolling.

misiti3780 3y ago
Exactly the response I was expecting. Throw out some huge accusations, and dont back them up with a single example. Solid work Don! Have a nice day.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  Exactly the response I was expecting from you too, since I just said you were pretending not to know in order to troll, and that confirms it. I don't owe you any examples, because you know very well but are pretending not to know what I'm referring to, you're not a serious person, you're intellectually dishonest, and you're trolling, so your bad faith arguments don't matter, and you don't deserve a response, troll. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
DiggyJohnson 3y ago
You didn’t answer any of his questions, which are not as ludicrous as your scathing reply implies.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  Read the Jean-Paul Sartre quote below. Let me ChatGPT that for you: This quote is from Jean-Paul Sartre's work "Anti-Semite and Jew" (originally "Réflexions sur la question juive"), written in 1946. In this passage, Sartre analyzes the behavior and motives of anti-Semites. He argues that anti-Semites are aware of the absurdity and frivolity of their arguments. According to Sartre, they engage in such discourse not to persuade through rational debate but to amuse themselves and to disconcert their opponents. They do this by undermining the seriousness of any conversation, thus avoiding genuine discussion. When pressed, they may cease the discussion, indicating that they are above argumentation. This approach, Sartre suggests, is a form of bad faith, a concept he discusses in his existentialist philosophy, referring to acts of self-deception or dishonesty in one's dealings with oneself and others.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    Can you connect this quote to the conversation at hand?
    - misiti3780 3y ago
      I will save you the time, no they cant.
      - DonHopkins 3y ago
        Nice attempt at deflection, but it applies directly to YOU.

Veserv 3y ago

He is guilty (as in they lost this lawsuit for millions in damages) of letting the Fremont, California factory run like this [1]: Robert Hurtado, a supervisor at Tesla, called Diaz the N-word over 30 times, including by saying “[N-word], hurry up,” “[N-words] are lazy,” and “I wish I can get all you [N-words] fired.” Tr. 3:604:23-606:8. Ramon Martinez, another Tesla supervisor, called Diaz the N-word over thirty times, said “I hate you, [N-word],” and told him “to go back to Africa.” Tr. 3-603:11604:20. Diaz's supervisor, Tamotsu “Tom” Kawasaki, testified that Martinez often used the words “mayate” and “chongo,” both racial slurs in Spanish. Tr. 2-281:9-12. Wayne Jackson, a Black program manager at Tesla, confirmed that Martinez used the word “mayate.” Tr. 2-381:17382:7. Martinez denied all of this. Tr. 3-584:18-585:1. Diaz also testified that he complained to Romero several times about being called the N-word. Tr. 3-613:5-14. Romero agreed that he learned Diaz had been complaining about racist conduct, see Tr. 3-542:22-24, 543:13-14, though Romero said Diaz did not complain directly to Romero at least until the Timbreza incident, Tr. 3:561:1-4. Romero testified that he did not personally investigate Diaz's complaints and was specifically told by Tesla to not personally investigate the Timbreza incident. Tr. 3-541:22-542:1, 544:21-545:2, 549:13-550:16. Diaz and Romero both testified that Tesla never fired anyone for using the N-word. Tr. 3-552:10-19, 615:13-15. Jackson testified that the use of the N-word was “[r]ampant,” as in it was used “[e]very day,” “[m]ore than several times a day.” Tr. 2-381:3-15. He found the N-word “[e]xtremely” offensive and “very derogatory” when it was used, regardless of how it was said. Tr. 2-383:15384:2. He said that these words should not be used in a workplace, but that there was “nothing” he could do to stop their use “[b]ecause Tesla allowed it. They didn't stop it.” Tr. 2-384:12-22. [1] https://casetext.com/case/diaz-v-tesla-inc-7 https://casetext.com/case/diaz-v-tesla-inc-7

misiti3780 3y ago
That case that focuses on allegations against Tesla as a company, not directly against Musk.