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Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era.

by cibcin 3y ago

some_random 3y ago
Consider parenting your children instead of demanding the government do it for you.
- nibnic 3y ago
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- adra 3y ago
  Yeah, I mean why does the government get to tell me how I raise my kids? I wanna put them to work, drive heavy machinery, and marry them off to 90 year old "founders" all I like so stay outta my business.
  - some_random 3y ago
    Oh I'm sorry you're totally right, we need to ban working, driving heavy machinery, and marriage to protect your children. Because that's what this is all actually about right? Sock puppet guy has made that quite clear, his goal is to ban all porn.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    The difference is that in the cases you mention, the government is protecting kids from bad actions that parents might take. Requiring age verification won't stop a parent from giving a kid access to porn. And, frankly, if a parent wants to show a teen porn as a way to educate them about what can be bad about it and what the dangers are, that's a private matter between the parent and the teen.
naremu 3y ago
I assumed this is what parental controls are invented for, but all too many parents don't seem to even have the knowledge to activate those in the first place. Maybe they should learn how they work instead of supporting a thin veil of totalitarianism.
- pfisch 3y ago
  TikTok and instagram are full of things that are porn or are almost porn. Same with Reddit. It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media.
  - standardUser 3y ago
    I sometimes forget that we consider simple nudity to be "porn". We shouldn't.
    - munk-a 3y ago
      It's absolutely ridiculous that we consider nudity to be nsfw - but TikTok and Instagram have a fair amount of content on them that are intentionally as close to nsfw as you can get without getting banned. I agree with your literal point - but there's actual porn on social media.
    - vezycash 3y ago
      I've seen actual porn on Twitter. I don't have an instagram account many porn models put links to their IG profiles.
    - pfisch 3y ago
      All of this and worse is on tiktok. https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/
  - simion314 3y ago
    >It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media. Really? so the state blocks porn, but then that social media will have people that use bad language so the state needs to also protect your kids from bad language, maybe people say on those social media that Santa or Jesus does not exist so state should protect them again and ban this stuff too. Do not allow your child on social media that is for adults. I am sure PlayStation offer social feature for children with strong moderation, so find similar social media that is targeted for children.
  - 3y ago
genocidicbunny 3y ago
Just don't allow your children to access these porn websites then. It really is that easy. ;)
- nibnic 3y ago
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simion314 3y ago
>Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era. I agree, so as a developer do you think it is easier to block porn at OS level and your router or you think that is safer that some regulation that only some websites will follow is more effective ? I read about some proposal for adult website to scan your face before granting access and other idiotic schemes, where the super obvious KISS solution is have Android, iOS, Windows, Ubuntu etc have an idiot proof way for a parent to setup a child account, this child account will set some cookie or whatever flag you want so websites can refuse to serve content to them. Also the big tech could use their combined energy to have a blacklist of bad websites that do not respect the rules like maybe advertisers. TLDR as a parent do not wait for the goverment to protect your child from porn, open Google and figure it out,
- nibnic 3y ago
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  - some_random 3y ago
    It would be so much easier for people to ignore you if you just stated your values up front you know? Maybe next time you could even use your real account instead of multiple sock puppets.
    - nextaltaccount 3y ago
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  - simion314 3y ago
    I agree with defensive in depth but that is contradicting priovacy if I need to show my face or ID card to a porn website, or how otehrs claim that reddit and TikTok is almost porn I should show my ID to all social media. As I said a parent should not allow the child to access social media that is targeting adults. The OS can put a flag and the websites can reject those connections, no need for destroying privacy. Not all porn is women exploration, there are this days this OnlyFans women that are exploiting men but who should decide what is and what is not exploitation. There is also CGI or AI porn, there are nude and artworks that religious extremists complain about. You can't stop porn so better don't wait for that day and setup your child devices if they need one properly.
munk-a 3y ago
There are a plethora of tools a concerned parent can deploy currently to limit web exposure - the main difficulty in doing so is more of a social pressure than a technical one and the salves provided by this bill are trivial to circumvent for a determined teen.
busterarm 3y ago
Wanting the state to play the role of mother and father is a very reasonable fear in this era.
squigz 3y ago
That's fair. And as another commenter pointed out, this is probably your responsibility as a parent. Of course, we also let the government tell us we can't let our kids work, so clearly there's a line we draw. So I ask, why is it the government's responsibility in this specific case?
gosub100 3y ago
Is there a documented syndrome that children or adults contract from pornography? Do you have any evidence of harm other than your feelings?
- jstarfish 3y ago
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kelnos 3y ago
Is it, though? I found and enjoyed a good amount of porn on BBSes and the early internet when I was a teen, and I turned out fine. Porn absolutely has serious problems associated with it (both on the production and consumption sides), but teens getting exposed to porn is just not a big deal. It can turn into a big deal, but that's what, y'know... parenting... is for.

Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era.

by cibcin 3y ago

Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era.

some_random 3y ago

Consider parenting your children instead of demanding the government do it for you.

nibnic 3y ago
[flagged]
adra 3y ago
Yeah, I mean why does the government get to tell me how I raise my kids? I wanna put them to work, drive heavy machinery, and marry them off to 90 year old "founders" all I like so stay outta my business.
- some_random 3y ago
  Oh I'm sorry you're totally right, we need to ban working, driving heavy machinery, and marriage to protect your children. Because that's what this is all actually about right? Sock puppet guy has made that quite clear, his goal is to ban all porn.
- kelnos 3y ago
  The difference is that in the cases you mention, the government is protecting kids from bad actions that parents might take. Requiring age verification won't stop a parent from giving a kid access to porn. And, frankly, if a parent wants to show a teen porn as a way to educate them about what can be bad about it and what the dangers are, that's a private matter between the parent and the teen.

naremu 3y ago

I assumed this is what parental controls are invented for, but all too many parents don't seem to even have the knowledge to activate those in the first place. Maybe they should learn how they work instead of supporting a thin veil of totalitarianism.

pfisch 3y ago
TikTok and instagram are full of things that are porn or are almost porn. Same with Reddit. It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media.
- standardUser 3y ago
  I sometimes forget that we consider simple nudity to be "porn". We shouldn't.
  - munk-a 3y ago
    It's absolutely ridiculous that we consider nudity to be nsfw - but TikTok and Instagram have a fair amount of content on them that are intentionally as close to nsfw as you can get without getting banned. I agree with your literal point - but there's actual porn on social media.
  - vezycash 3y ago
    I've seen actual porn on Twitter. I don't have an instagram account many porn models put links to their IG profiles.
  - pfisch 3y ago
    All of this and worse is on tiktok. https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/
- simion314 3y ago
  >It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media. Really? so the state blocks porn, but then that social media will have people that use bad language so the state needs to also protect your kids from bad language, maybe people say on those social media that Santa or Jesus does not exist so state should protect them again and ban this stuff too. Do not allow your child on social media that is for adults. I am sure PlayStation offer social feature for children with strong moderation, so find similar social media that is targeted for children.
- 3y ago

genocidicbunny 3y ago

Just don't allow your children to access these porn websites then. It really is that easy. ;)

nibnic 3y ago
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simion314 3y ago

>Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era. I agree, so as a developer do you think it is easier to block porn at OS level and your router or you think that is safer that some regulation that only some websites will follow is more effective ? I read about some proposal for adult website to scan your face before granting access and other idiotic schemes, where the super obvious KISS solution is have Android, iOS, Windows, Ubuntu etc have an idiot proof way for a parent to setup a child account, this child account will set some cookie or whatever flag you want so websites can refuse to serve content to them. Also the big tech could use their combined energy to have a blacklist of bad websites that do not respect the rules like maybe advertisers. TLDR as a parent do not wait for the goverment to protect your child from porn, open Google and figure it out,

nibnic 3y ago
[flagged]
- some_random 3y ago
  It would be so much easier for people to ignore you if you just stated your values up front you know? Maybe next time you could even use your real account instead of multiple sock puppets.
  - nextaltaccount 3y ago
    [flagged]
- simion314 3y ago
  I agree with defensive in depth but that is contradicting priovacy if I need to show my face or ID card to a porn website, or how otehrs claim that reddit and TikTok is almost porn I should show my ID to all social media. As I said a parent should not allow the child to access social media that is targeting adults. The OS can put a flag and the websites can reject those connections, no need for destroying privacy. Not all porn is women exploration, there are this days this OnlyFans women that are exploiting men but who should decide what is and what is not exploitation. There is also CGI or AI porn, there are nude and artworks that religious extremists complain about. You can't stop porn so better don't wait for that day and setup your child devices if they need one properly.

munk-a 3y ago

There are a plethora of tools a concerned parent can deploy currently to limit web exposure - the main difficulty in doing so is more of a social pressure than a technical one and the salves provided by this bill are trivial to circumvent for a determined teen.

busterarm 3y ago

Wanting the state to play the role of mother and father is a very reasonable fear in this era.

squigz 3y ago

That's fair. And as another commenter pointed out, this is probably your responsibility as a parent. Of course, we also let the government tell us we can't let our kids work, so clearly there's a line we draw. So I ask, why is it the government's responsibility in this specific case?

gosub100 3y ago

Is there a documented syndrome that children or adults contract from pornography? Do you have any evidence of harm other than your feelings?

jstarfish 3y ago
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kelnos 3y ago

Is it, though? I found and enjoyed a good amount of porn on BBSes and the early internet when I was a teen, and I turned out fine. Porn absolutely has serious problems associated with it (both on the production and consumption sides), but teens getting exposed to porn is just not a big deal. It can turn into a big deal, but that's what, y'know... parenting... is for.