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In 2023 I can't believe they are still naming bills like this "Protecting Young Persons from Exposure to Pornography" Every time a bill gets a moniker like th
by tempest_ 3y ago
In 2023 I can't believe they are still naming bills like this
"Protecting Young Persons from Exposure to Pornography"
Every time a bill gets a moniker like that I assume it is hiding some major government over reach.
- HumblyTossed 3y agoThey're appealing to their "fear" base. A certain segment of the voting population lives in fear (no thanks to the politicians who stoke this fear) of ... well everything.
- cibcin 3y agoNot wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era.
- some_random 3y agoConsider parenting your children instead of demanding the government do it for you.
- nibnic 3y ago[flagged]
- adra 3y agoYeah, I mean why does the government get to tell me how I raise my kids? I wanna put them to work, drive heavy machinery, and marry them off to 90 year old "founders" all I like so stay outta my business.
- some_random 3y agoOh I'm sorry you're totally right, we need to ban working, driving heavy machinery, and marriage to protect your children. Because that's what this is all actually about right? Sock puppet guy has made that quite clear, his goal is to ban all porn.
- kelnos 3y agoThe difference is that in the cases you mention, the government is protecting kids from bad actions that parents might take. Requiring age verification won't stop a parent from giving a kid access to porn. And, frankly, if a parent wants to show a teen porn as a way to educate them about what can be bad about it and what the dangers are, that's a private matter between the parent and the teen.
- naremu 3y agoI assumed this is what parental controls are invented for, but all too many parents don't seem to even have the knowledge to activate those in the first place. Maybe they should learn how they work instead of supporting a thin veil of totalitarianism.
- pfisch 3y agoTikTok and instagram are full of things that are porn or are almost porn. Same with Reddit. It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media.
- standardUser 3y agoI sometimes forget that we consider simple nudity to be "porn". We shouldn't.
- munk-a 3y agoIt's absolutely ridiculous that we consider nudity to be nsfw - but TikTok and Instagram have a fair amount of content on them that are intentionally as close to nsfw as you can get without getting banned. I agree with your literal point - but there's actual porn on social media.
- vezycash 3y agoI've seen actual porn on Twitter. I don't have an instagram account many porn models put links to their IG profiles.
- pfisch 3y agoAll of this and worse is on tiktok. https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokthots/
- simion314 3y ago>It is unrealistic to lock your kids out of all social media. Really? so the state blocks porn, but then that social media will have people that use bad language so the state needs to also protect your kids from bad language, maybe people say on those social media that Santa or Jesus does not exist so state should protect them again and ban this stuff too. Do not allow your child on social media that is for adults. I am sure PlayStation offer social feature for children with strong moderation, so find similar social media that is targeted for children.
- genocidicbunny 3y agoJust don't allow your children to access these porn websites then. It really is that easy. ;)
- nibnic 3y ago[flagged]
- simion314 3y ago>Not wanting your children to be influenced by pornography at a formative age is a very reasonable fear in this era. I agree, so as a developer do you think it is easier to block porn at OS level and your router or you think that is safer that some regulation that only some websites will follow is more effective ? I read about some proposal for adult website to scan your face before granting access and other idiotic schemes, where the super obvious KISS solution is have Android, iOS, Windows, Ubuntu etc have an idiot proof way for a parent to setup a child account, this child account will set some cookie or whatever flag you want so websites can refuse to serve content to them. Also the big tech could use their combined energy to have a blacklist of bad websites that do not respect the rules like maybe advertisers. TLDR as a parent do not wait for the goverment to protect your child from porn, open Google and figure it out,
- nibnic 3y ago[flagged]
- some_random 3y agoIt would be so much easier for people to ignore you if you just stated your values up front you know? Maybe next time you could even use your real account instead of multiple sock puppets.
- nextaltaccount 3y ago[flagged]
- simion314 3y agoI agree with defensive in depth but that is contradicting priovacy if I need to show my face or ID card to a porn website, or how otehrs claim that reddit and TikTok is almost porn I should show my ID to all social media. As I said a parent should not allow the child to access social media that is targeting adults. The OS can put a flag and the websites can reject those connections, no need for destroying privacy. Not all porn is women exploration, there are this days this OnlyFans women that are exploiting men but who should decide what is and what is not exploitation. There is also CGI or AI porn, there are nude and artworks that religious extremists complain about. You can't stop porn so better don't wait for that day and setup your child devices if they need one properly.
- munk-a 3y agoThere are a plethora of tools a concerned parent can deploy currently to limit web exposure - the main difficulty in doing so is more of a social pressure than a technical one and the salves provided by this bill are trivial to circumvent for a determined teen.
- busterarm 3y agoWanting the state to play the role of mother and father is a very reasonable fear in this era.
- squigz 3y agoThat's fair. And as another commenter pointed out, this is probably your responsibility as a parent. Of course, we also let the government tell us we can't let our kids work, so clearly there's a line we draw. So I ask, why is it the government's responsibility in this specific case?
- gosub100 3y agoIs there a documented syndrome that children or adults contract from pornography? Do you have any evidence of harm other than your feelings?
- jstarfish 3y ago[dead]
- kelnos 3y agoIs it, though? I found and enjoyed a good amount of porn on BBSes and the early internet when I was a teen, and I turned out fine. Porn absolutely has serious problems associated with it (both on the production and consumption sides), but teens getting exposed to porn is just not a big deal. It can turn into a big deal, but that's what, y'know... parenting... is for.
- willcipriano 3y agoWhat side would you describe as the "fearless" side? They both seem fearful to me just in regards to different things.
- suoduandao3 3y agocentrists are probably generally less fearful as retreating to one extreme of a polarized dynamic is a common fear response. But I think the point is more, everyone is partially motivated by fear, sometimes governments use that fear as a lever.
- RobRivera 3y agoThere are no sides - there are nuanced and diverse issues and varying approaches which optimize for different values and to use words like 'us','them','side' is detrimental to the political process and enables those who yield narrative control over media uncharacteristic influence in a democracy.
- HumblyTossed 3y agoNot about sides. Some people are just afraid of things. Afraid everyone is out to steal their kids. Afraid of war. Afraid of immigrants. Afraid of not enough immigrants. This just appeals to those people.
- chongli 3y agoBase? This was a senate private member's bill. Senators in Canada are appointed, not elected, and they serve for life. The senator who introduced the bill, Julie Miville-Duchêne, is a member of the independent senators group, a non-partisan group of 39 senators. It was voted against by the government. It's only getting traction with support from opposition parties. It might pass the house of commons without government support due to a minority parliament. All this despite the fact that the opposition spans the gamut from far left to far right.
- gspencley 3y agoYeah and let's also take a moment to consider that the current government here in Canada is not conservative. I say this in the most non-partisan way possible, just as a freedom loving Canadian: "Fuck Trudeau"
- loloquwowndueo 3y agoI mean, imagine how much worse it would be if Poilievre was the PM ;)
- canadiantim 3y agoAtleast Poilievre would be on a shorter leash than Trudeau
- munk-a 3y agoUnfortunately if Poilievre actually did get into the PM office it'd be on the back of a CPC majority - so he'd have a lot more freedom to act than Trudeau's current minority government.
- canadiantim 3y agoWe'll see. Could also be a Harper-like minority, getting support from the bloc. Trudeau also has a very supportive NDP right now, so Trudeau does have a lot of freedom currently.
- munk-a 3y agoI'll never say never but the current state of the CPC is so departed from mainstream Canadian politics that it's far more likely that BQ would side with LPC... and the NDP and Greens would basically have to have a melt-down to side with the CPC. I think it's almost vanishingly unlikely that the CPC form government unless they actually achieve a majority share of seats.
- scj 3y ago
- vivekd 3y agoThat's what I thought initially too, but reading the article, it seems like it's just requiring age verification for accessing adult material. If we are concerned about censorship - I have to say that ship has long ago sailed. I don't have a problem with blocking porn or steps preventing kids from accessing porn
- logicchains 3y ago>I don't have a problem with blocking porn or steps preventing kids from accessing porn It's just the first step; once they have the infrastructure for real-ID verification in place, they'll roll it out to more and more of the internet until adults have no more anonymity online.
- djaro 3y agoThat seems like a slippery slope. We also require age verification for online gambling, and that hasn't had bad consequences either.
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