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100% agree, same with online games. I worked on a game called Minecraft Earth and it was a service-oriented game where you could collect things and play Minecr

100% agree, same with online games. I worked on a game called Minecraft Earth and it was a service-oriented game where you could collect things and play Minecraft in AR (fun project, not very fun game lol). It shut down a few years ago and we didn't get a chance to add an offline-only mode for even simple AR building, so now no one will ever be able to go back and play that game. It makes me really sad to see a whole product, a whole codebase just go poof.

doctorpangloss 3y ago
> a whole codebase just go poof. You didn't hold onto a copy?
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  You steal source code from your past employers?
  - zdhgbdthdtv 3y ago
    That's both a baseless accusation and a rude one at that. Additionally, you are confusing stealing with making unauthorized copies.
    - beeboobaa 3y ago
      It's called a rhetorical question.
    - dkonofalski 3y ago
      Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics? Taking something without permission that doesn't belong to you is stealing. It may be justified stealing but it's still stealing.
      - caslon 3y ago
        It's not taking, though. It's copying. Monks used to write books out by hand. If you were to go to a monastery, and copy a book line by line, you will have taken nothing at all. Nothing will be lost. It's not taking, it's not stealing. It's just making a copy. You are the one doing gymnastics.
        dkonofalski 3y ago
        You're taking something that doesn't belong to you and copying it. It's stealing. In order to even make the "unauthorized copy" you mention, you have to take the thing first. That's the stealing.
        caslon 3y ago
        There is no loss of data on either side. It's not stealing. Your argument is like saying that a picture of the Eiffel Tower is stealing. Nothing is lost from copying.
        dkonofalski 3y ago
        Loss of data is irrelevant. If you don't have permission to take something or copy it, then you're stealing. Again, I think the benefits of what happened in this case are obvious so I'm not arguing the morality of this. I just think it's absolutely silly that people are bending over backwards to pretend that this isn't stealing and that the reason we have something that would have been otherwise lost is because someone had to balls to steal it. It's stealing. You're taking something from the owner without permission. Just stop with the mental gymnastics.
        superb_dev 3y ago
        What if you already have access to it and don't need to "take" it from anywhere?
        dkonofalski 3y ago
  - belthesar 3y ago
    I hear what you're saying here, but one of the ways we've been able to successfully preserve software was because, even though folks weren't supposed to keep this stuff around, they did anyway. Business goals rarely align with preservation efforts. While I do know that Microsoft does keep a vault of old software, production materials, etc (I believe they even have a position on staff for a Librarian, or at least they used to), for many other positions, that simply does not exist.
eksu 3y ago
You are probably not allowed to contribute to the open source private servers for Minecraft Earth and .ipa mods for people who still want to play? https://github.com/Project-Earth-Team https://github.com/Project-Earth-Team ASA (which I worked on for Minecraft Earth) is also end of life in the next year, not sure how that will impact this.

doctorpangloss 3y ago

> a whole codebase just go poof. You didn't hold onto a copy?

beeboobaa 3y ago
You steal source code from your past employers?
- zdhgbdthdtv 3y ago
  That's both a baseless accusation and a rude one at that. Additionally, you are confusing stealing with making unauthorized copies.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    It's called a rhetorical question.
  - dkonofalski 3y ago
    Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics? Taking something without permission that doesn't belong to you is stealing. It may be justified stealing but it's still stealing.
    - caslon 3y ago
      It's not taking, though. It's copying. Monks used to write books out by hand. If you were to go to a monastery, and copy a book line by line, you will have taken nothing at all. Nothing will be lost. It's not taking, it's not stealing. It's just making a copy. You are the one doing gymnastics.
      - dkonofalski 3y ago
        You're taking something that doesn't belong to you and copying it. It's stealing. In order to even make the "unauthorized copy" you mention, you have to take the thing first. That's the stealing.
        caslon 3y ago
        There is no loss of data on either side. It's not stealing. Your argument is like saying that a picture of the Eiffel Tower is stealing. Nothing is lost from copying.
        dkonofalski 3y ago
        Loss of data is irrelevant. If you don't have permission to take something or copy it, then you're stealing. Again, I think the benefits of what happened in this case are obvious so I'm not arguing the morality of this. I just think it's absolutely silly that people are bending over backwards to pretend that this isn't stealing and that the reason we have something that would have been otherwise lost is because someone had to balls to steal it. It's stealing. You're taking something from the owner without permission. Just stop with the mental gymnastics.
        superb_dev 3y ago
        What if you already have access to it and don't need to "take" it from anywhere?
        dkonofalski 3y ago
- belthesar 3y ago
  I hear what you're saying here, but one of the ways we've been able to successfully preserve software was because, even though folks weren't supposed to keep this stuff around, they did anyway. Business goals rarely align with preservation efforts. While I do know that Microsoft does keep a vault of old software, production materials, etc (I believe they even have a position on staff for a Librarian, or at least they used to), for many other positions, that simply does not exist.

eksu 3y ago

You are probably not allowed to contribute to the open source private servers for Minecraft Earth and .ipa mods for people who still want to play? https://github.com/Project-Earth-Team https://github.com/Project-Earth-Team ASA (which I worked on for Minecraft Earth) is also end of life in the next year, not sure how that will impact this.