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> So it's only gig working if you work full time? Nope > What about other freelancers that work full time? Should they be classed as employees too, or are we

> So it's only gig working if you work full time? Nope > What about other freelancers that work full time? Should they be classed as employees too, or are we singling out gig workers here? These questions are answered in the article

gruez 3y ago
The article says >It also sets rules that mean digital platform workers will be considered employees if at least two of the following five conditions are met: >* If the employer caps worker payments; >* If the employer supervises worker performance, directly or electronically; >* If the employer has control over the distribution or allocation of tasks; >* If the employer has control over working conditions and working hours; >* If the employer limits discretion about how work is done, appearance, or conduct. None of these are valid reasons to differentiate between "someone with 27 000 trips in 3 years" and "a student delivering food 3 hours a week to pay his friday night bar trip"
- mewpmewp2 3y ago
  Also all of those rules are so vague, it could be argued in any case someone is doing some of that in any sort of deal. 1. Company A has a max budget for contractor B or project B. 2. In most cases performance is supervised at least to some extent? 3. Not sure what that exactly means. What are tasks? What is control of distribution or allocation? 4. What does control mean? What if they have a dynamic pricing rate which yields higher payment on certain times and less on other times? 5. When a contractor hires a subcontractor or any sort of contracting is done, in most cases there's also expectation of such things. By the way if you make those rules, people will 100% start to play around them in order to be categorised in A or B way.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    > Also all of those rules are so vague, Still less vague than the current regulation, and it'll allow thousands of people to get social benefits/vacations/retirement/&c.
    - mewpmewp2 3y ago
      Aren't they just trading their income for those benefits though?
- lm28469 3y ago
  > None of these are valid reasons Nothing is naturally valid, that's why we make laws, and then things become valid or not. Some countries have laws regarding what is contracting and what isn't contracting, in the case of Uber drivers working solely for uber, making 100% of their income from Uber, &c. it's clear cut, and that's going to be the majority of cases

gruez 3y ago

The article says >It also sets rules that mean digital platform workers will be considered employees if at least two of the following five conditions are met: >* If the employer caps worker payments; >* If the employer supervises worker performance, directly or electronically; >* If the employer has control over the distribution or allocation of tasks; >* If the employer has control over working conditions and working hours; >* If the employer limits discretion about how work is done, appearance, or conduct. None of these are valid reasons to differentiate between "someone with 27 000 trips in 3 years" and "a student delivering food 3 hours a week to pay his friday night bar trip"

mewpmewp2 3y ago
Also all of those rules are so vague, it could be argued in any case someone is doing some of that in any sort of deal. 1. Company A has a max budget for contractor B or project B. 2. In most cases performance is supervised at least to some extent? 3. Not sure what that exactly means. What are tasks? What is control of distribution or allocation? 4. What does control mean? What if they have a dynamic pricing rate which yields higher payment on certain times and less on other times? 5. When a contractor hires a subcontractor or any sort of contracting is done, in most cases there's also expectation of such things. By the way if you make those rules, people will 100% start to play around them in order to be categorised in A or B way.
- lm28469 3y ago
  > Also all of those rules are so vague, Still less vague than the current regulation, and it'll allow thousands of people to get social benefits/vacations/retirement/&c.
  - mewpmewp2 3y ago
    Aren't they just trading their income for those benefits though?
lm28469 3y ago
> None of these are valid reasons Nothing is naturally valid, that's why we make laws, and then things become valid or not. Some countries have laws regarding what is contracting and what isn't contracting, in the case of Uber drivers working solely for uber, making 100% of their income from Uber, &c. it's clear cut, and that's going to be the majority of cases