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Someone does needs to do these jobs, but would you tell your kid who wants to be more than a janitor that "we all can't be successful programmers; what would th

Someone does needs to do these jobs, but would you tell your kid who wants to be more than a janitor that "we all can't be successful programmers; what would the world do without be without impoverished people to do the jobs we don't want. Sure someone has to do those jobs sure, but should they only be reserved for poor people?

arp242 3y ago
Well, no, and I'll go even a step further and consider anyone saying such things to be a bad parent. But the context here isn't a parent trying to get the most for their kids, it's people thinking on how to organise a reasonably just and fair society. And in this context, I think it's important to realize that no matter what we do need people doing these jobs, and that these people also deserve a reasonable standard of living. I don't have a problem with "poor" per se, but there's different levels of "poor" and right now you can work an honest full-time job and not make rent – I don't consider that to be reasonable.
- millzlane 3y ago
  I would agree with you. Thank you for adding context. I'll admit I'm guilty of rolling out of bed and commenting so I may have missed the point in my foggy haze.
- jewayne 3y ago
  Right. I think almost everybody wants some version of "fairness", but for many fairness is actually defined by a remarkably strict hierarchy. It's not that they want McDonald's workers to suffer, exactly, but they want to be able to see, even at a glance, that they are doing better than the McD's workers (and of course they go to McD's and enjoy that convenience) And the same people will say, without a hint of irony, that people working low-wage jobs shouldn't have kids they can't afford. As in, not only should people doing essential jobs be restricted from enjoying life, they should also die off without reproducing.

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Someone does needs to do these jobs, but would you tell your kid who wants to be more than a janitor that "we all can't be successful programmers; what would th

by millzlane 3y ago

arp242 3y ago
Well, no, and I'll go even a step further and consider anyone saying such things to be a bad parent. But the context here isn't a parent trying to get the most for their kids, it's people thinking on how to organise a reasonably just and fair society. And in this context, I think it's important to realize that no matter what we do need people doing these jobs, and that these people also deserve a reasonable standard of living. I don't have a problem with "poor" per se, but there's different levels of "poor" and right now you can work an honest full-time job and not make rent – I don't consider that to be reasonable.
- millzlane 3y ago
  I would agree with you. Thank you for adding context. I'll admit I'm guilty of rolling out of bed and commenting so I may have missed the point in my foggy haze.
- jewayne 3y ago
  Right. I think almost everybody wants some version of "fairness", but for many fairness is actually defined by a remarkably strict hierarchy. It's not that they want McDonald's workers to suffer, exactly, but they want to be able to see, even at a glance, that they are doing better than the McD's workers (and of course they go to McD's and enjoy that convenience) And the same people will say, without a hint of irony, that people working low-wage jobs shouldn't have kids they can't afford. As in, not only should people doing essential jobs be restricted from enjoying life, they should also die off without reproducing.